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Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #71

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Sorry to be blunt, but they don't really care that much about you. Sure, they want to take your money, they don't want to leave it on the table. But most of their money comes from the Netflixes and the Adobes of the world, not from mom-and-pop stores :p

:-) Well Bezos is a genius, perhaps he will figure out that mom and pop businesses are the backbone of the world economy.

Based on how the AWS services look, I somehow doubt it. Cloud Formation, RDS Oracle, to name a few thing, seem quite enteprise-y :)

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

#152
post #101

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Curious if any provider has given you similar contract terms?

Here are Codero's terms.[1] There's a procedure for dealing with breaches of the agreement, with 7 day and 30 day notices to cure. It's not one-sided, like Google's: "Google may terminate this Agreement for its convenience at any time without liability to Customer."[2] Do you want to bet your business on that? [1] http://codero.cachefly.net/docs/legal/TOS.pdf [2] https://cloud.google.com/terms/

This is great. Thank you.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

#153

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It's not differentiating by content, you're paying for a different service tier. It's like saying getting faster internet by paying for Comcast Business violates net neutrality.

One of the primary consumer arguments in favor of net neutrality was that ISPs advertised bandwidth at certain speeds, and therefore were obligated to provide that speed to any point on the Internet. Using that same argument, Google should be obligated to provide maximum interface speed from any of their compute instances to any point on the internet, and should not be allowed to sell a tier that gets closer to that…

Nope. The core tenets of net neutrality have always been around access and priority of the content going between networks. The only factor where net neutrality would regulate the physical pipe like this is based on edge providers and backbone service access. E.g. A fair price would have to be consistent with what all where being charged. You couldn't say charge Netflix 100 million dollars to have access to inter-network backbones then simulataneously only charge Disney 1 million dollars for the same thing. This is because most large scale network providers are also content companies in the USA.

To quote a nice layman summary from the EFF/Save The Internet:

Net Neutrality is the internet’s guiding principle: It preserves our right to communicate freely online.

Net Neutrality means an internet that enables and protects free speech. It means that ISPs should provide us with open networks — and shouldn’t block or discriminate against any applications or content that ride over those networks. Just as your phone company shouldn’t decide who you call and what you say on that call, your ISP shouldn’t interfere with the content you view or post online.

Without Net Neutrality, cable and phone companies could carve the internet into fast and slow lanes. An ISP could slow down its competitors’ content or block political opinions it disagreed with. ISPs could charge extra fees to the few content companies that could afford to pay for preferential treatment — relegating everyone else to a slower tier of service. This would destroy the open internet.

No real mention of advertised speeds being ahered to. Speed in the context of which you were using it also would not be correct. Speed in the context of Net Neutrality means no prioritized slow downs or speed ups in exchange for cash, essentially. Again, I think that had more to do with access and not actual pet megabit speeds

https://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality-what-you-need...

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

#154
post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

Save your outputs in the cloud. There is zero cost to access S3 object storage from EC2. Its only if you insist on pulling down 1TB files to your local workstation that you run into this. This seems like a self-inflicted problem.

The problem is often I need that data locally. With video editing in particular, I can't work with data that's not local and I can't run my editing software in the cloud because I'm not aware of any kind of remote workstation that offers colour management and whatnot.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

#156

Ironically, this offering is precisely the argument against network neutrality -- different customers need different QoS guarantees.

Not at all. Offering different bandwidths for different prices has nothing to do with net neutrality. Net neutrality is the principle of not discriminating traffic based on destination or content by blocking or throttling.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #136
post #83

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Check out Google's Coldline https://cloud.google.com/storage/archival/

99% availability seems not so "highly available" as they call it. It's just SLA, but that means if the service is down for 7 hours every month it still meets the availability SLA. I know it may not matter that much for backup, I'm just wondering why would they set the bar so low - i.e. how do they organize the storage that they had to set it so low. I'm guessing MAIDs but I still don't get it.

That's for the coldline class. It's all the same GCS system and the top multi-region class has 99.95% availability

https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/storage-classes#compar...

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

#158
post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

What is egress in this context? What is ProRes? Just curious

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

#159
post #154

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Save your outputs in the cloud. There is zero cost to access S3 object storage from EC2. Its only if you insist on pulling down 1TB files to your local workstation that you run into this. This seems like a self-inflicted problem.

The problem is often I need that data locally. With video editing in particular, I can't work with data that's not local and I can't run my editing software in the cloud because I'm not aware of any kind of remote workstation that offers colour management and whatnot.

Teradici does do this. Feel free to send me an email :).

Disclosure: I work on Google Cloud.

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