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Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #93

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Nice find. What is the ping time from India to Iran? That is a long trip for a packet.

I was going to ask the same thing, what's up with that. Why is there no continuous connextion?

There are connections, just not ones where Google own a stake. Here's a map of the submarine cables as of last year: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/...

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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The most interesting thing to me here is that they can actually deliver a cheaper service by going over the public internet. I would think their private net would be cheaper because they don't have to pay for transit. I guess transit is still cheaper than maintaining ones own lines...

Seems like a shaky inference? Hypothetically, two tiers could have the same cost to provide, but have different profit margins. Market segmentation tends to be more about value to the customers and what they're willing to pay.

This is a very valid observation and I hadn't thought of that. You're very right.

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Check out Google's Coldline https://cloud.google.com/storage/archival/

Google Glacier, aka G2. I checked it out. I like that I don't have to do calculus to understand how I'll be billed, or write my own retrieval software.

Also nice to have sub-millisecond latency to first byte (versus multi-hour) and performance characteristics of normal GCS.. so you could run a rare MapReduce job on it just the same as regular GCS :)

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #83

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Check out Google's Coldline https://cloud.google.com/storage/archival/

Google Glacier, aka G2. I checked it out. I like that I don't have to do calculus to understand how I'll be billed, or write my own retrieval software.

AWS has greatly simplified their Glacier pricing from the inscrutable transfer rate pricing to more common sense latency based pricing.

If you want your data back in AWS Glacier is cheaper per month than Google ColdStorage, but Google doesn't charge more for faster access to your data. So maybe you still need that Calculus to figure out which is a better deal for your data access pattern.

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I wonder what that same 1 TB of data costs on the "open market" (or how it is even priced). Say I'm a smallish ISP on the east coast and want to send 1 TB to another smallish ISP on the west coast. I probably have a contract with, I don't know, AT&T or whoever owns the cables (I'm from Europe so I have no clue, in Germany it would be Telekom). I'm guessing it would probably cost cents (and that would bring my data ac…

In the open market you either get transit (you buy bandwidth from a carrier) or peer (you exchange traffic with a provider) with other networks. There are also IXs, where you can peer with a lot of different networks in one place (DE-CIX is the biggest for example, located in Frankfurt). Transit is billed 95th percentile, that means if you want to commit to 1 GbE on a 10 GbE uplink you pay the 1 GbE outright and can…

1GbE over 1 month is about 330TB - is that right?

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #139

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In the open market you either get transit (you buy bandwidth from a carrier) or peer (you exchange traffic with a provider) with other networks. There are also IXs, where you can peer with a lot of different networks in one place (DE-CIX is the biggest for example, located in Frankfurt). Transit is billed 95th percentile, that means if you want to commit to 1 GbE on a 10 GbE uplink you pay the 1 GbE outright and can…

1GbE over 1 month is about 330TB - is that right?

Yes, but it's basically impossible to do so with 95th percentile.

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A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

>Why is "Cloud" bandwidth so damned expensive?

This is one of the easiest ways for cloud providers to make money. I very often see people doing lots of advanced calculations for compute and choosing providers based on that without really thinking about bandwidth usage.

Famous last words, "Oh, it's a web service so bandwidth shouldn't be a big deal."

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

Save your outputs in the cloud. There is zero cost to access S3 object storage from EC2. Its only if you insist on pulling down 1TB files to your local workstation that you run into this. This seems like a self-inflicted problem.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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post #71

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My Lightsail gives me 3TB. It's a huge card for me. The only reason I use them at all for hosting.

Sorry to be blunt, but they don't really care that much about you. Sure, they want to take your money, they don't want to leave it on the table. But most of their money comes from the Netflixes and the Adobes of the world, not from mom-and-pop stores :p

:-) Well Bezos is a genius, perhaps he will figure out that mom and pop businesses are the backbone of the world economy.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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OVH isn't an American company, that probably matters to a lot of use cases.

OVH has a datacenter in Canada which is very well connected to North America, they are also working on their USA datacenter.

A US location will be welcome. Might have to start using a real server for a change.
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