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A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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post #17

What's up with this image caption? "The inside of the Petten test reactor where the thorium salt is being tested is shining due to charged particles traveling faster than the speed of light in water." As I understand it, nothing travels faster than the speed of light. The author is mistaken, right?

Nothing travels faster than the speed of light in vacuum. Light is slower in other media, such as water, where its speed is only 3/4 of its speed in vacuum. This difference in speed is responsible for the light refraction, for example.

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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post #17

What's up with this image caption? "The inside of the Petten test reactor where the thorium salt is being tested is shining due to charged particles traveling faster than the speed of light in water." As I understand it, nothing travels faster than the speed of light. The author is mistaken, right?

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Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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post #17

What's up with this image caption? "The inside of the Petten test reactor where the thorium salt is being tested is shining due to charged particles traveling faster than the speed of light in water." As I understand it, nothing travels faster than the speed of light. The author is mistaken, right?

Nothing travels faster than the speed of light through vacuum.

But the index of refraction of water is 1.33 . So the speed of light through water is much slower than through vacuum. And electrons can travel through water faster than light through water.

The effect is similar to a massive object traveling faster than the speed of sound through air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation

Edit: I love that HN is so smart that a dogpile can form from all the people rushing in to explain Cherenkov radiation.

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are aware of the current U.S. President and the current EPA Administrator, right?

Not so sure about that. Might risk these billions of coal jobs he created...

“We will begin to revive and expand our nuclear energy sector, which I’m so happy about, which produces clean, renewable and emissions-free energy,” Trump said.

https://www.nei.org/News-Media/News/News-Archives/2017/Trump...

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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Better explanation here (linked from Technology Review): http://www.thoriumenergyworld.com/news/finally-worlds-first-... More details on the experiment sequence: https://public.ornl.gov/conferences/MSR2016/docs/Presentatio... This is not actually a reactor test because the thorium-bearing salt does not attain criticality. It's a sequence of materials tests using thorium-containing salt mixtures in small crucibles ins…

Comments like this are why I don't bother getting my tech & science news from anywhere but HN.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so sure about that. Might risk these billions of coal jobs he created...

Also those two do not believe in global warming. (One thing nuclear does not cause) It make take a long time for thorium reactors to come online but it is hard to believe anybody is going to fund the construction of a new large LWR anywhere outside China.

Hinkley C

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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Better explanation here (linked from Technology Review): http://www.thoriumenergyworld.com/news/finally-worlds-first-... More details on the experiment sequence: https://public.ornl.gov/conferences/MSR2016/docs/Presentatio... This is not actually a reactor test because the thorium-bearing salt does not attain criticality. It's a sequence of materials tests using thorium-containing salt mixtures in small crucibles ins…

Comments like this are why I don't bother getting my tech & science news from anywhere but HN.

Eternal Semptember tho. Give it time.

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so sure about that. Might risk these billions of coal jobs he created...

Also those two do not believe in global warming. (One thing nuclear does not cause) It make take a long time for thorium reactors to come online but it is hard to believe anybody is going to fund the construction of a new large LWR anywhere outside China.

Great that thorium is progressing. I predict the debate about global warming will disappear once we have new power sources in place. Those who denied global warming will suddenly acknowledge it; those who berated the deniers will move on to other issues.

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

#29
post #11

I was under the impression that thorium-salt reactors have been tried in the past and not deemed "worth" from security and profitability point of view. What has changed about that ?

I thought it was the other way around in fact. That they don't produce nuke-weapon-ready material meant that this avenue was not profitable from a security perspective. I may be recalling this incorrectly and I haven't re-checked but I think that's correct?

No, that is incorrect, though it has often been repeated by less technically informed advocates of the thorium fuel cycle. The vast majority of the world's commercial nuclear reactors are light-water-moderated pressurized water reactors or boiling water reactors (PWR and BWR respectively). The actual military origins of these light water reactors is that they were originally researched for submarine and ship propulsion for the US Navy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-water_reactor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressurized_water_reactor#Hist...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_water_reactor#Evolutio...

The United States and other nuclear weapons states never produced their weapons plutonium from light water reactors. Weapons grade plutonium has typically been produced from uranium in dedicated plutonium-production reactors moderated with heavy water or graphite. (The United States once had a single reactor that also produced commercial electricity along with weapons plutonium, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Reactor, but it wasn't a light water reactor either.)

Since uranium fueled light water reactors weren't used to make plutonium for weapons in the first place, the thorium-myth claim that commercial power reactors stuck with uranium so as to make weapons material is ridiculous. The military's early sponsorship of light water reactors for naval propulsion did give uranium-fueled LWRs a significant historical path dependency advantage. I speculate that thorium advocates who continue to repeat the myth about how uranium LWRs became dominant do so because it makes the dominant technology's dominance sound more sinister, hence thorium sound more attractive by contrast.

Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so sure about that. Might risk these billions of coal jobs he created...

“We will begin to revive and expand our nuclear energy sector, which I’m so happy about, which produces clean, renewable and emissions-free energy,” Trump said. https://www.nei.org/News-Media/News/News-Archives/2017/Trump...

“We’ve already eliminated a devastating, anti-coal regulation, but that was just the beginning,” he said. “My administration is putting an end to the war on coal, going to have clean coal, really clean coal.”

“We will produce American coal to power American industry.”

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