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Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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Launch solar shade! @ Sea levels drop.

New real-estate becomes available in the SF Bay, but only golf courses are approved for construction. Commuters continue to drive all the way around the old shoreline because internal roads are designed in a vascular pattern to thwart Waze drivers.

Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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Doesn't methane break down in the atmosphere fairly rapidly? From what I'm reading, methane lasts about 12 years while CO2 can stay in the atmosphere for potentially thousands. Unless we choke to death on methane isn't this less of an issue than CO2 buildup?

Methane is a very potent greenhouse gas, and the release would be absolutely huge. The momentary spike would well cause a lot of CO2 to be released.

On a positive note, while it may not suffice to save human civilization, CO2 likely won't get baked out of rocks. Or at least, it hasn't after previous "methane gun" events.

Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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Arctic ice has 1400Gt of carbon locked up as methane. [1] This is equivalent to 1400/10 = 140 years of human 2016 activity. [2]. Methane also has a stronger effect than CO2. If ice starts to melt, we are doomed. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions#Contr... [2]: https://www.co2.earth/global-co2-emissions

How long would that all take to melt? According to your source only 50 of the 1400Gt could be abruptly released.

Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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Can someone PLEASE tell me why there haven't been more efforts underway to have commnities around the world plant more trees and engage in planned reforestation? This is as close as you can get to a globally available mechanism for pulling carbon dioxide out of the air (and methane can burn leaving carbon dioxide). I mean this very seriously. Richard Branson is looking to fund ways to pull Carbon out if the atmospher…

Couldn't agree more. Here in the UK we have a lower percentage of forested land than many other European countries and I much prefer forest to the barren green fields which we have in many places. Sadly I think lots of my countrymen think of green fields being the default state of rural UK and don't realise it's the legacy of deforestation by stone age man.. I can only imagine what the UK must have been like prior to…

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Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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Can someone PLEASE tell me why there haven't been more efforts underway to have commnities around the world plant more trees and engage in planned reforestation? This is as close as you can get to a globally available mechanism for pulling carbon dioxide out of the air (and methane can burn leaving carbon dioxide). I mean this very seriously. Richard Branson is looking to fund ways to pull Carbon out if the atmospher…

We are. The lumber and paper companies replant all the time. Sometimes directly, sometimes they don't have to because natural processes will do it. Many forests in the US are over populated.

There is a lot of land that cannot support a forest though.

Where we really go wrong is not lighting forest fires every year. As a result dead trees build up until the slightest spark (lightening) results in a hot fire that burns up everything in a massive fire that cannot be controlled. All the carbon turns back into CO2. If instead we lit a fire every year the smaller cooler fire would result in a lot of carbon that isn't turned into CO2 and just sits on the ground. The result is sequestered carbon in the form of charcoal.

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I came to that realization after taking an environmental education class where they " left out the feedback loops". I disagree with your sentiment that they had to leave things like this out of the model. If it was left out it was probably not well understood. Its pretty easy to see that any form of mitigation is irrelevant until it becomes a real problem because getting large groups to agree on things isn't a scient…

One of the major flaws of this species is that we don't do anything inconvenient, that requires global agreement, until it becomes literally an existential threat. And even then we may dither, and there will be special interests that will keep spreading out misinformation about it, etc. Seriously, the "sapiens" part in the name of our species is a bit of an exaggeration.

This isn't a flaw in the species. It's a consequence of game theory and evolution and would likely be found in any species that was a product of evolution.

Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

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I wouldn't be surprised if such feedback loops have been excluded from the models of climate change because they paint a picture so dire that no amount of mitigation (if there were any serious attempts at mitigation going on) could save our way of life. "Sooner and worse than expected" is a phrase I expect to hear with increasing frequency.

There is one potential negative feedback loop that I am now curious about, since we recently learned that Antarctica is/was highly volcanic. If the continent deforms as the mass of ice melts off of it, causing the volcanoes go off in a mega-eruption, could the atmospheric particulates shade the Earth enough to trigger an ice-age in the near future, say, 50-100 years? And if so, could we conceivably modulate the level of the particulates in order to manage the ice age?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the major flaws of this species is that we don't do anything inconvenient, that requires global agreement, until it becomes literally an existential threat. And even then we may dither, and there will be special interests that will keep spreading out misinformation about it, etc. Seriously, the "sapiens" part in the name of our species is a bit of an exaggeration.

This isn't a flaw in the species. It's a consequence of game theory and evolution and would likely be found in any species that was a product of evolution.

Yes, this is one of the explanations of the Fermi paradox.

Re: Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

#90

and we can't even get people to agree that there's a problem. and we have no leadership to guide our response. and we can't winnow our way out of this alone. what now?

Look at it this way. A large swath of people believe it is a problem and most of them are willing to put time and money in counteracting it. We have leaders like Elon Musk already creating a great response. We can't winnow out of it alone but we already have leaders & a large group of people interested in fixing it.

The answer to "what now" is start a company that is in the business of carbon sequestration or climate affect mitigation and become a leader. It's obvious!

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