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Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by notyourday »

fabian2k wrote: post #22
jstapels wrote: post #13

Egress pricing for Google and AWS (sans Lightsail) continues to be one of the biggest price differences between them and smaller hosts such as Linode and DigitalOcean. I think Google missed an opportunity here. They should have cut the prices more significantly for standard tier (sacrificing performance) to make this more competitive. Right now Linode's and DO's smallest $5 plan offers 1TB of transfer, which would co…

The extremely high egress prices for any cloud don't seem to have hurt their popularity much so far. So I suspect they all don't want to give up their cash cow. Compared to a VPS or renting a dedicated servers, the egress costs can be enormous if you come even close to using the traffic contingent you get with many VPS or dedicated hosts. Just as a comparison, a dedicated server with Hetzner for ~50-70 EUR per month…

Just put the edges somewhere else, use GCP for compute and push the actual delivery to the edge.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by wmf »

always_good wrote: post #32

This precedent (including CloudFlare's new private routing) doesn't bode well for the public internet. Imagine the day when everyone has to use private routing and the public internet barely even gets maintained anymore. Of course, public internet also suffers tragedy of the commons and not much is happening on that front. Like how most people are still behind ISPs that allow their customers to spoof IP addresses. An…

I don't think this should be downvoted. Serious Internet People have been discussing this exact topic recently: https://blog.apnic.net/2016/10/28/the-death-of-transit/ http://www.potaroo.net/presentations/2017-05-25-death-of-tra...

When 90% of traffic goes through CDNs, it will be easier for ISPs to "accidentally" deliberately congest the remaining 10% without too many people noticing. https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/summons_and_complaint....

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by vgt »

rb808 wrote: post #77
_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

I was going to back up my photos to AWS Glacier before noticing that retrieval costs are multiple times the storage cost. I guess that is possibly OK for a backup but scared me into a physical alternative. http://liangzan.net/aws-glacier-calculator/

Check out Google's Coldline

https://cloud.google.com/storage/archival/

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by abiox »

jerkstate wrote: post #28

How is this different from paying more for a fast lane, which net neutrality is supposed to prevent? Edit: there seems to be a bit of confusion what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the Open Internet Order of 2015 [1] which states: 18. No Paid Prioritization. Paid prioritization occurs when a broadband provider accepts payment (monetary or otherwise) to manage its network in a way that benefits particular content,…

if i'm paying google to host my stuff, should i also be getting bills from comcast, time warner, cox, and every other isp on the planet?

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by Johnny555 »

rb808 wrote: post #77
_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

I was going to back up my photos to AWS Glacier before noticing that retrieval costs are multiple times the storage cost. I guess that is possibly OK for a backup but scared me into a physical alternative. http://liangzan.net/aws-glacier-calculator/

You just said that you were looking to Glacier as a "back up", so isn't that a good use case for Glacier?

One advantage of Amazon versus many other cloud backup providers is that (for a fee), they'll ship you your data on a hard disk if you need it in a hurry. Having cheap access to your 4TB of data may not be such a great deal if it takes 3 months to download it.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by Veratyr »

user5994461 wrote: post #68
_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

>>> ... costs $80 and for that price I can rent a beefy server with a dedicated gigabit pipe for a month. No you can't. One doesn't get dedicated gigabit for that price.

Ah, sorry. I meant "beefy dedicated server with a gigabit pipe". It's the server that's dedicated, not the pipe.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by X-Istence »

needcheapbw wrote: post #64
blfr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about DO Droplets but you can get a reasonably priced dedicated server* at OVH and knock yourself out piping 4-8 TB to the world for ~$40/mo. * It's hard to push a lot of useful data with a tiny VPS.

OVH isn't an American company, that probably matters to a lot of use cases.

OVH has a datacenter in Canada which is very well connected to North America, they are also working on their USA datacenter.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by sipjca »

user5994461 wrote: post #68
_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

>>> ... costs $80 and for that price I can rent a beefy server with a dedicated gigabit pipe for a month. No you can't. One doesn't get dedicated gigabit for that price.

What? It is definitely possible to rent dedicated servers for that price with an un-metered gigabit pipe.

With 2 minutes of looking on webhostingtalk I found: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1667849

Sure it's a no name provider, but you can get an Intel E3 for $80 with a "Guaranteed 700 Mb/s" pipe.

Edit: Clearly I misread the original quote given the OP response

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

Encrypt it then egress using a CDN.
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