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Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by deafcalculus » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:31 PM UTC

_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

The high bandwidth price is mostly to drive away seedboxes and porn sites. Huge discounts are likely available to big customers.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by Animats » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:34 PM UTC

Don't sign up for a Google service unless you get contract terms which say they can't terminate you at will and have penalties if they do.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by stormbeard » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:35 PM UTC

_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

It's expensive to pull data out of their cloud partly because it makes switching providers or moving on-premise less appealing. It's a trap.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by needcheapbw » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:36 PM UTC

blfr wrote: post #59

ProblemFactory wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> biggest price differences between them and smaller hosts such as Linode and DigitalOcean. I suspect that the smaller hosts' plans traffic quota is sold below their own cost - assuming (correctly) that the vast majority of customers would not use anywhere close to the limit. The traffic quota also scales much slower than the price as you move to bigger, more expensive plans. I guess that it's fine if you reach the l…

I don't know about DO Droplets but you can get a reasonably priced dedicated server* at OVH and knock yourself out piping 4-8 TB to the world for ~$40/mo. * It's hard to push a lot of useful data with a tiny VPS.

OVH isn't an American company, that probably matters to a lot of use cases.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by TheSockStealer » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:38 PM UTC

brunoTbear wrote: post #54

I quite like the way Google has drawn the map here-since no cables reach from India to Europe, they've split the map there making the paths easier to trace between Asia and NA. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QvF57n-55Cs/WZypui8H8zI/AAAAAAAAE... Compare with the difficulties of https://cloud.google.com/images/locations/edgepoint.png Elegant and subtle work. Just like the networking.

Nice find.

What is the ping time from India to Iran? That is a long trip for a packet.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by needcheapbw » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:39 PM UTC

deusex_ wrote: post #45

jstapels wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true, why did Amazon come out with Lightsail? https://amazonlightsail.com

That's just a card to be in the game, it's hardly their mainline product.

My Lightsail gives me 3TB. It's a huge card for me. The only reason I use them at all for hosting.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by nik736 » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:40 PM UTC

deafcalculus wrote: post #61

_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

The high bandwidth price is mostly to drive away seedboxes and porn sites. Huge discounts are likely available to big customers.

They could simply ban adult websites in their ToS, I doubt this is the reason. Also seed boxes are nowhere near useful if you still would pay $10 / TB and at the same time can get traffic for free at OVH or Online/Scaleway.

It's most likely vendor lock-in and people are dumb enough to pay for it.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by user5994461 » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:41 PM UTC

_7iun wrote: post #50

A long standing complaint of mine is that Cloud egress pricing severely limits the usefulness of compute. If I want to say process some visual effects on a large (1TB) ProRes video, I might spend $1 on the compute but $100 on the egress getting it back. Unfortunately these changes don't really resolve that problem. "Standard" pricing is a paltry 20% less. That 1TB video egress still costs $80 and for that price I can…

>>> ... costs $80 and for that price I can rent a beefy server with a dedicated gigabit pipe for a month.

No you can't. One doesn't get dedicated gigabit for that price.

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by icebraining » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:42 PM UTC

jerkstate wrote: post #38

jedberg wrote: post #37

The most interesting thing to me here is that they can actually deliver a cheaper service by going over the public internet. I would think their private net would be cheaper because they don't have to pay for transit. I guess transit is still cheaper than maintaining ones own lines...

Kind of amazing to watch this slow process of the content companies discover that running a global internetwork is actually difficult and expensive..

Do you really think Google didn't study it before building their network? You think they hired Vint Cerf to cook omelettes at the cafeteria, or something?

Re: Introducing Network Service Tiers

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Post by chrisabrams » Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 6:43 PM UTC

pbbakkum wrote: post #52

A few notes here: - An unmentioned alternative to this pricing is that GCP has a deal with Cloudflare that gives you a 50% discount to what is now called Premium pricing for traffic that egresses GCP through Cloudflare. This is cheaper for Google because GCP and Cloudflare have a peering arrangement. Of course, you also have to pay Cloudflare for bandwidth. - This announcement is actually a small price cut compared t…

Pretty much every major CDN and Google/AWS have a peering agreement that gives discount egress.