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Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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Sorry, but any company that wants to collect my personal data just to continue using their product after I've purchased it, is scum.

Any company that isn't collecting data on which features are being used is missing an opportunity

> Any company that isn't collecting data on which features are being used is missing an opportunity

Why is the end user supposed to give a shit about a company's missed opportunities?

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Is there a use case for Sonos that good Bluetooth speakers don't address more simply?

* Shared playlist/queue between all users of a household. * No need to have a second device present to stream music. That is, I can start up music with the controller on my phone, and go to the store, but the music still plays since all the streaming is handled by the sonos speaker. * No need to pair your phone/computer to the device every time you come home. Just get on the wifi, and you're set. Those are the big on…

Chromebox audio?

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Generally, I would agree, and in the broadest sense of the terms, they are not equal. You can call anything whatever you want; you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. England used taxation as a way to maintain control over its colonies regardless of how it turned out. Eventually, and most famously, the U.S. realized the taxation was a form of oppression and not for the common good. People who didn't pay t…

The American Revolution isn't nearly as clear cut as that. It wasn't anti-taxation, it was anti-taxation without representation. The colonists were objecting to being taxed without having a say in the levying of the taxes. There were many colonial Americans who would have been happy returning Members to Parliament without independence. The core of the issue really was that Britain defended the American colonies from…

I really appreciate your response; you're correct. I was wrong to offer the ideal I did. I had hoped to posit that taxation is often abused, used as a tool to accomplish something other than to generally fund the government or improve society; as a control over the people.

My argument wasn't sound - I'm glad you provided historically accurate facts that were both enjoyable and informative!

Your sidenote is also interesting - and on another note (albeit silly) - have you heard of the AMC drama TURN: Washington's Spies? I've started watching it and have quite enjoyed it so far.

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How else are they going to tell if you're a Neo-Nazi and they need to suspend your account? Know-your-customers kept us safe from brown-skinned terrorists, now we need to keep ourselves safe from the Great White Menace. I applaud the invasion of my privacy. I have nothing to hide.

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Tax is not rent unless you're in an actual feudal system.

It's rent. If I don't pay my property taxes, the government will march in and take my house.

Land specifically is kind of a special case, in that we can't just make more of it (to a first approximation). There is an ongoing opportunity cost to society to give you exclusive rights over a piece of land, and therefore it is right and proper that you make an ongoing contribution to society to compensate.

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Wow talk about blowing something out of proportion. The new software comes with new terms. If you don't accept the new terms you keep the existing software. Over time, it is possible that current software sill stop working with e.g. some future Pandora API, and you'll have a choice of either updating your software or foregoing that feature. I have a Sonos in every room of my house and I've owned them since the very f…

Whatever the rationale, the posts's core statement - that either people accept new contract terms or their device will brick the next time they change the API - is correct. [edit] apparently the models have a line-in socket? In that case, I agree, them turning into regular speakers is better than bricking. However, I still think the article is relevant as it highlights the problem of ownership and terms of sale with…

The smallest model, Play:1 doesn't have a line in. IMO it also the best size/design/sound/price trade-off of the entire line. :(

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I've long considered going to Sonos, but I think i'll stay with my Plex VM and my NAS

Plex just updated their privacy policy to infuriate users before walking it back after many people complained loudly.

Well, that's nice. Until they change it without people noticing.

I wish MediaTomb or Ampache was a better DLNA server than Plex.

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Anyone have another suggestion for a pair of wifi speakers that can be assigned to Left/Right to get stereo and can be network streamed to and have another device on the network with a line-in? I was about to buy 2 Play1's and a Connect to do a stereo install in a room where I don't want to run speaker cable. I had researched wackier home-built solutions and was going to give up and go for the Sonos. Now I'm once aga…

look into the squeezebox ecosystem.

Seconding. It's a great system if you can set up your own server, and the ecosystem at this point is almost completely open to the point where you can completely build players from other devices like raspberry pis.

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My degree is in mechanical engineering, but I work in software development. Software is eating the world for good reasons. How many gates would it take to have a pure hardware decoder for ATSC? A microcontroller-based dishwasher timer is much cheaper to design and manufacture, and wears out more slowly under many conditions, than a mechanical timer. I wouldn't be surprised if a micontroller could wring another 1% eff…

The "Smart" in the post you replied to stands for something else than your examples (which are absolutely valid uses cases!). We could summarize it as "needlessly Internet connected, reporting to some endpoint in the cloud outside of your control, which is now a point of failure". Indeed my dishwasher is likely more reliable, and my fridge can get more efficient with a microcontroller. But the 2017 version is likely…

I should have quoted the portion I was responding to. I was responding to "I have yet to hear any compelling reason to make these devices dependent on software."
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