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Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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It seems like nobody actually owns anything any more - that we're all just digital serfs living on someone else's land. I really don't know why anyone would willingly make such a deal.

Open Source, Open Hardware, Open Protocols That is the only way

Free Software, not Open Source

If capitalists are not going to let us abolish copyright, we should abuse it, not pretend it does not exist.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

#102
To be honest I had a pretty average experience with Sonos so far. It is connected with cat6 ethernet, professional switches, with no other connectivity problems on that network (and I tested all cables). I have 3 systems (pay1, play 5 and the sonos amp), and they keep losing track of each others, I have to regroup them regularly. They also struggle with long music tracks (i.e. 1h podcasts off a synology shared drive) and often stall in the middle.

If they brick my devices, I will only be half upset.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

#103

It seems like nobody actually owns anything any more - that we're all just digital serfs living on someone else's land. I really don't know why anyone would willingly make such a deal.

The answer is, nobody does.

They implicitly agree under duress, because their time is worth far too much to even read 10 pages of fine print for every product they use. I'm not being flippant; it bloody well is.

I'm not sure why courts consider that to hold any weight; to me it goes against the whole notion of informed consent in binding agreements. And to be fair, often the courts don't consider to hold any weight.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

#104
Wow talk about blowing something out of proportion. The new software comes with new terms. If you don't accept the new terms you keep the existing software. Over time, it is possible that current software sill stop working with e.g. some future Pandora API, and you'll have a choice of either updating your software or foregoing that feature.

I have a Sonos in every room of my house and I've owned them since the very first generation. Sonos has been extremely good about updating the software. The current software still works on the very first hardware, with all the functionality save for a single feature, room-correcting equalization, that requires the newer DSP. This company is the gold standard of ongoing software support for consumer goods and this article is trying to spin the situation in just the perfect way to make the Internet commentariat explode.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

#105

I remember a time when the phrase "if you don't know what the product is, you're the product" made sense. Now it's, "if you don't kn... oh f*ck it, you're the product!"

The sentence is if you don't pay for the product, you are the product. But Sonos isn't exactly free. It isn't exactly cheap either.

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post #102

To be honest I had a pretty average experience with Sonos so far. It is connected with cat6 ethernet, professional switches, with no other connectivity problems on that network (and I tested all cables). I have 3 systems (pay1, play 5 and the sonos amp), and they keep losing track of each others, I have to regroup them regularly. They also struggle with long music tracks (i.e. 1h podcasts off a synology shared drive)…

If the units are also wifi connected (sonos mesh networking), then either only plug in one of them to ethernet, or fiddle with your switch spanning tree cost values. As I recall, sonos uses the older standard spanning tree values, and until I fiddled with my managed switch settings, the sonos were regularly bringing down my local network, and/or winning the elections so that large amounts of my lan traffic went over their wireless mesh network.

Pretty crappy default configuration on Sonos' part (using old default cost values), if you ask me.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that simple if you've already bought the devices and the terms change.

Buy devices that do not come with "backdoors" like this then. Why would these not be autonomous?

That's a good point, there must be a way to block access from these devices to the Sonos mothership. I have seen zero software improvement in the few years I owned my Sonos set, so I can't say that I would miss much.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I will tell my friend who has sonos players for around 2000 USD, I'm sure he will listen.

Good god, how many does he have that they set him back $2000?

The sonos subwoofer alone is about half of that price.

Re: Sonos: users must accept new privacy policy or devices may “cease to function”

#110
post #102

To be honest I had a pretty average experience with Sonos so far. It is connected with cat6 ethernet, professional switches, with no other connectivity problems on that network (and I tested all cables). I have 3 systems (pay1, play 5 and the sonos amp), and they keep losing track of each others, I have to regroup them regularly. They also struggle with long music tracks (i.e. 1h podcasts off a synology shared drive)…

If the units are also wifi connected (sonos mesh networking), then either only plug in one of them to ethernet, or fiddle with your switch spanning tree cost values. As I recall, sonos uses the older standard spanning tree values, and until I fiddled with my managed switch settings, the sonos were regularly bringing down my local network, and/or winning the elections so that large amounts of my lan traffic went over…

No I never configured the wireless setup, I wired them to ethernet straight away.
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