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Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by jamescostian »

curtisblaine wrote: post #12

So he dared to be in favour of anti-CoC article in one of his Twitter posts and thus unleashed the SJW brigade? What an heinous crime.

Yes, and what some call daring, others call scary. One thing many people loved about Node was its openness to everyone. But when a leader of a group shows distaste for CoCs, one can see how that might mean the group's CoC may be threatened. Without CoCs, many people in the Node community wouldn't feel as safe.

You may still feel just as safe, and that's great for you. But it's not very hard to understand why people aren't happy. Even if you vehemently despise CoCs, you should still be able to see how a mass exodus, for whatever reason, could be bad for a project's future.

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by geofft »

curtisblaine wrote: post #17
syshum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems he committed the cardinal sin of expressing support for Free Speech and questioning some aspects of Codes of Conduct. One can not even question the codes of conduct, they are written on stone and are beyond criticism and questioning...

He expressed himself against The Word, so he deserves to be cast out, publicly shamed and never find a job anymore.

What are you even talking about? Are you basing your comments in reality or are you just interested in posting inflammatory rhetoric? Has anyone said anything about public shame or not being able to find a job?

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by koolba »

geofft wrote: post #8
mattnewton wrote: post #2

I missed all this, what did rvagg do? Why are some people upset enough to try to vote him off the island, and leave when it didn't happen?

https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111 has a screenshot of the text previously in https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 because "listing the issues was not fair to Rod". I'm an outsider to this, but it seems to me that the tl;dr was that he was basically undermining the moderation actions of the TSC and CTC.

Lines like this from your first link are scary:

> Do Meeting Notes or a recording of the TSC vote exist? Is it known who voted what and who abstained?

My interpretation is that it's asking, "Who's against us? Let's call them out..."

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by rocqua »

Neither this post, nor the linked decision by the TSC make it possible for me to judge if this reaction is appropriate.

Without details on how rvagg conducted himself, this could be anywhere from 'Social justice warriors biggest fuck up yet' to 'nepotism protects blatant asshole/racist/nazi/mysogonist'.

This is all due to the following reasoning:

[Note: the specific list of issues has been removed at the request of several core collaborators who felt that listing the issues was not fair to Rod. This post was made with an effort at full transparency and with no ill intent towards anyone. No additional harm was intended by listing the issues - jasnell]

Unless this was requested by Rod himself, this seems like needless censorship.

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by 7jjwedwqd »

fixermark wrote: post #13
syshum wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems he committed the cardinal sin of expressing support for Free Speech and questioning some aspects of Codes of Conduct. One can not even question the codes of conduct, they are written on stone and are beyond criticism and questioning...

... or he committed the cardinal sin of questioning the Code of Conduct, and when challenged on it, responding with snark and condescension, demonstrating the need in the community for a Code of Conduct.

Oh my! Quick, put the works of Wilde and Shaw on the index. Better yet, burn their books lest some millenial is harmed by snark and condescension.

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by AaronFriel »

koolba wrote: post #23
geofft wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111 has a screenshot of the text previously in https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 because "listing the issues was not fair to Rod". I'm an outsider to this, but it seems to me that the tl;dr was that he was basically undermining the moderation actions of the TSC and CTC.

Lines like this from your first link are scary: > Do Meeting Notes or a recording of the TSC vote exist? Is it known who voted what and who abstained? My interpretation is that it's asking, " Who's against us? Let's call them out... "

Yes, that's how democratic systems function. If Congress passed laws by anonymous vote, individual voters would have no way of knowing if their representative is undermining their will.

Likewise, members on the TSC likely represent constituent interests (or I would hope they do).

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

#27

Post by root_axis »

jamescostian wrote: post #21
curtisblaine wrote: post #12

So he dared to be in favour of anti-CoC article in one of his Twitter posts and thus unleashed the SJW brigade? What an heinous crime.

Yes, and what some call daring, others call scary. One thing many people loved about Node was its openness to everyone. But when a leader of a group shows distaste for CoCs, one can see how that might mean the group's CoC may be threatened. Without CoCs, many people in the Node community wouldn't feel as safe. You may still feel just as safe, and that's great for you. But it's not very hard to understand why people a…

> Without CoCs, many people in the Node community wouldn't feel as safe.

I strongly disagree with this language. I support CoCs because I feel explicitly spelling out consequences for harassment allows for the unambiguous rejection of toxic behavior which creates a welcoming environment for new or otherwise anxious contributors... but nothing about CoC affects an individual's personal safety and using that type of hyperbolic language damages the cause more than it helps.

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by geofft »

koolba wrote: post #23
geofft wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/nodejs/community-committee/issues/111 has a screenshot of the text previously in https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/310 because "listing the issues was not fair to Rod". I'm an outsider to this, but it seems to me that the tl;dr was that he was basically undermining the moderation actions of the TSC and CTC.

Lines like this from your first link are scary: > Do Meeting Notes or a recording of the TSC vote exist? Is it known who voted what and who abstained? My interpretation is that it's asking, " Who's against us? Let's call them out... "

It's an open-source project; it seems reasonable for people to ask if discussions are open, no?

If you want closed-door meetings and secret decisions, there are tons of proprietary projects and standards committees doing important and exciting work.

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by ebola1717 »

geofft wrote: post #16
curtisblaine wrote: post #12

So he dared to be in favour of anti-CoC article in one of his Twitter posts and thus unleashed the SJW brigade? What an heinous crime.

I think that's an uncharitable reading. It's one thing to be anti-CoC. It's another thing to be anti-CoC when you're on a committee whose job is to maintain and enforce the CoC. There's nothing dishonorable about saying "I don't think I agree with the goals of the job that I am doing, so I will let someone else do it," but he didn't do that. It's sort of like going to work for customs while being a strong believer in…

Yeah, the original list of grievances seemed pretty straightforward and damning. It's not unlike the current US administration, with a climate denier heading the Energy dept, a school privatization advocate heading the Education department, etc.

Re: Effective immediately I am stepping down from the Nodejs TSC

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Post by cosmiccartel »

geofft wrote: post #16
curtisblaine wrote: post #12

So he dared to be in favour of anti-CoC article in one of his Twitter posts and thus unleashed the SJW brigade? What an heinous crime.

I think that's an uncharitable reading. It's one thing to be anti-CoC. It's another thing to be anti-CoC when you're on a committee whose job is to maintain and enforce the CoC. There's nothing dishonorable about saying "I don't think I agree with the goals of the job that I am doing, so I will let someone else do it," but he didn't do that. It's sort of like going to work for customs while being a strong believer in…

It looks like the responsibilities of the TSC involve much more than enforcing a code of conduct. If you want a simile for this situation, I'd say it's more like a police officer sharing an article that's in favor of marijuana legalization, and being upset when his coworkers attack him over it.
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