Yeah, if you could keep your hands off from collecting my data without my consent, that would be great.
Otherwise I might as well just use Chrome. Hopefully some PR guy will pour some water on this before it turns into a dumpster fire.
Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
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Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the burden here is backwards? URLs may contain Protected Health and other Identifying Information. If this data leaks SSL and could be sent to a 3rd party, then it makes Firefox an unsuitable client for a great many applications. EDIT: OK. It's boolean flags (like use of flash) plus an eTLD+1 (example.org; not myname.example.org?). Even so, I believe this tracking should be opt-in with a disclosure screen tha…
> URLs may contain Protected Health and other Identifying Information A URL must not contain PHI. If it does, a breach has already occurred. And Firefox is only collecting the domain names, it looks like.
What do you mean, a URL must not contain PHI? You can't prevent a non-tech minded person from submitting questions about their health to any text field linked to a form with a GET method.
I'd argue that domains are the same- there are tons of domains that clearly indicate what they're about (e.g. stop-drinking.example)
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#53This is really slick.
It's like describing to a spouse a system of sex with strangers that includes blindfolds and a hazmat suit. Such a system could be a great way for a person to learn more about their sexual tastes and improve coitus overall. If the spouse is anxious about the system, then all they have to do is find a problem with the hazmat suit that would endanger the...
Wait, spouse, you haven't even studied the system that I so carefully designed to protect you from the possibility of...
Spouse?
Has anyone seen my spouse?
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#54Worth mentioning is that they are using https://github.com/google/rappor
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Start by actually bothering to read the link: > One recurring ask from the Firefox product teams is the ability to collect more sensitive data, like how features perform on specific sites. > [for example]: "Which sites does a user see heavy Jank on?"
Ask for it. Don't just collect the data. Ffs, what has the team behind FireFox become? I need a new browser.
They have telemetry and it isn't enough.
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> URLs may contain Protected Health and other Identifying Information A URL must not contain PHI. If it does, a breach has already occurred. And Firefox is only collecting the domain names, it looks like.
What do you mean, a URL must not contain PHI? You can't prevent a non-tech minded person from submitting questions about their health to any text field linked to a form with a GET method. I'd argue that domains are the same- there are tons of domains that clearly indicate what they're about (e.g. stop-drinking.example)
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Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#57I'm not sure why Mozilla needs to track what sites I'm going to but if they add tracking into their browser then I'm just going to have to find another browser or at least put together a build of Firefox without the tracking. It's not so much that I have anything to hide but the fact that I'm not interested in being their product. If they can't remember that they're a nonprofit that's suppose to make a FOSS-based browser which doesn't spy on people and works well with web standards then they just need to shutdown. I know that's extreme but I'm just frustrated with the further corporatization of the Internet even on the margins like Firefox. Everything just has to be a product or a way to commodify the use thereof.
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#58Do not do that. Privacy respect is the most important differentiating point of firefox.
I wonder how valuable the data is going to be for the Firefox team? The cost in reputation may be large, so I'm guessing this must be pretty important for them.
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#59This is ridiculous. I use and recommend Firefox for pure ideological reasons, because frankly, Chrome/Chromium is miles ahead of them. If they start opt-out tracking using the same approach as Google I do not see any reason to use it nor install it for my friends and family. That's some data for you, Mozilla.
Your stance is paradoxical, because Chrome has been improved based on data mined from users, and not in as nearly a considerate way as Mozilla is proposing.
You want Firefox to succeed as a browser, but to be able to better compete it needs better usage data.
Wouldn't you prefer for Firefox to be the best browser available, AND also be considerate towards your privacy rights?
Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way
#60> What we plan to do now is run an opt-out SHIELD study [6] to validate our implementation of RAPPOR. IMHO, this is a bad idea. Many people I know already use Firefox because they're weary to give Google (Chrome) all their data. Firefox should make this feature opt-in only.
Absolutely. If this is helping users, it should be easy to convince them to turn it on.
That's not how it works. Most users don't care and will simply use whatever the default is; and when it comes to anonymous usage statistics, "most users" is _exactly_ the group of people you want to be collecting them from; otherwise your results will be skewed heavily in favor of a small minority of power users.