Live data from Hacker News

Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

groups.google.com

11–20 of 450 posts

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#11

> What we plan to do now is run an opt-out SHIELD study [6] to validate our implementation of RAPPOR. IMHO, this is a bad idea. Many people I know already use Firefox because they're weary to give Google (Chrome) all their data. Firefox should make this feature opt-in only.

Absolutely. If this is helping users, it should be easy to convince them to turn it on.

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#13
Note: "planning" means "reaching out for feedback about".

Also interesting: the method they plan on using for anonymising this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy#Principle...

If that is not sufficiently anonymous, then please submit the reasoning why to Mozilla.

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#14
This is ridiculous. I use and recommend Firefox for pure ideological reasons, because frankly, Chrome/Chromium is miles ahead of them.

If they start opt-out tracking using the same approach as Google I do not see any reason to use it nor install it for my friends and family. That's some data for you, Mozilla.

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#15

> What we plan to do now is run an opt-out SHIELD study [6] to validate our implementation of RAPPOR. IMHO, this is a bad idea. Many people I know already use Firefox because they're weary to give Google (Chrome) all their data. Firefox should make this feature opt-in only.

[deleted]

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#16
post #9

I say it over and over. You can not completely anonymize data with any reliability. Please note the qualifier, many systems work for many vectors, but any sufficiently large dataset can be used to graph habits and correlate them. Maybe there is a safe way, but I put the onus of proving it on the person implementing it.

RTFA: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.6981.pdf

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#18
post #13

Note: "planning" means "reaching out for feedback about". Also interesting: the method they plan on using for anonymising this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy#Principle... If that is not sufficiently anonymous, then please submit the reasoning why to Mozilla.

I think the burden here is backwards? URLs may contain Protected Health and other Identifying Information. If this data leaks SSL and could be sent to a 3rd party, then it makes Firefox an unsuitable client for a great many applications.

EDIT: OK. It's boolean flags (like use of flash) plus an eTLD+1 (example.org; not myname.example.org?). Even so, I believe this tracking should be opt-in with a disclosure screen that explains exactly what Mozilla is recording. Informed consent is a practice we should be promoting, even if it seems unnecessary.

Re: Studying how Firefox can collect additional data in a privacy-preserving way

#20
I liked Firefox for years. I have lived through years of shenanigans such as broken extensions, forgetting what tabs I had open because Firefox accidentally closed without restoring them, moving icons and menus around for no reason, and recently, an update on my Ubuntu that broke scrolling of pages (with PgUp/PgDown). And now this..

I am starting to think that they just don't want people to use Firefox.

Yeah, I know it's free software, so I have no right to complain. I just wonder why?

Post reply on HN