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In what language do deaf people think?

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Re: In what language do deaf people think?

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Tokenizing provdies btetre erorr corretcion in case words are misspelled. I very highly doubt that tihsprhsaesicmorephesnilbe.

>I very highly doubt that tihsprhsaesicmorephesnilbe. I read it first as "this phrase is _more_ comprehensible" but knew it wasn't right. Also you spelt "mispelled" incorrectly ;0)>

Yeah, cuz it mashes up in such a way that there's a "more" there! I didn't even intend that but that's exactly the drawback.

Re: In what language do deaf people think?

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> Your speculations raise a larger question: Can you think without language? Answer: Nope, at least not at the level humans are accustomed to. Wait, I have a question: by thinking in language, does this mean, that, it's very common for people (in the English speaking world) to think like there was a background voice speaking in your head, like the thinking bubble scenes depicted in movies and sitcoms? As a Chinese, n…

http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/ideographic_myth.html

Have you heard about the ideographic myth?

Re: In what language do deaf people think?

#83
post #25

> Your speculations raise a larger question: Can you think without language? Answer: Nope, at least not at the level humans are accustomed to. Wait, I have a question: by thinking in language, does this mean, that, it's very common for people (in the English speaking world) to think like there was a background voice speaking in your head, like the thinking bubble scenes depicted in movies and sitcoms? As a Chinese, n…

I don't think in English as if I was having a conversation with myself. I think the best way to describe it is my brain precaches the words of objects or things or concepts I am thinking about. If I look at the bolts sitting on my table, I don't literally think in my mind 'oh look those are bolts'. I recognize them for what they are, my brain does some processing, and at the same time as my mind is about to wander of…

Agreed, thinking isn't words. Thinking happens lightning-fast below words. We just routinely load it into and out of the "language buffer" because we are the communicating animal.

I often solve problems when thinking about something else - a song, a radio program. THen when I go back to the problem, the solution is clear. Where did that "Thinking" occur? Not in my language buffer, it was fully occupied. In fact in might have been getting the language buffer "out of the loop" that allowed the thinking to occur.

When debugging code, I absolutely DO NOT have an internal dialog going on. I'm paging through code, following definitions, looking at code blocks as a whole, putting the code into some mental space that is not words, then voila! the wrong piece shows up in my mind and I have it.

Language is over-rated.

Re: In what language do deaf people think?

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post #48

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I think it is. I've down-voted a couple -4s, but on refresh it still shows -4.

additional thought, after ability to edit had passed: I wonder if it's to intentionally deflate scores which drop to -4. For particularly bad ones, it'd encourage moderators to downvote. Not that I particularly think yours is. Must've rubbed a few the wrong way.

I'm surprised that ~45 and counting people would downvote this. I assume these are people who saw "See no evil, hear no evil" and are taking it out on me.

Re: In what language do deaf people think?

#85
To the people who claim that thinking happens in some language or other: how about what's going through your head when you play chess? Is that not thinking by your definition? Or do you really narrate it to yourself, as if you were writing a commentary of the game?

Re: In what language do deaf people think?

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post #25

> Your speculations raise a larger question: Can you think without language? Answer: Nope, at least not at the level humans are accustomed to. Wait, I have a question: by thinking in language, does this mean, that, it's very common for people (in the English speaking world) to think like there was a background voice speaking in your head, like the thinking bubble scenes depicted in movies and sitcoms? As a Chinese, n…

http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/ideographic_myth.html Have you heard about the ideographic myth?

that's why we call it logographic, not ideographic these days.

Re: In what language do deaf people think?

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post #62
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is. I've down-voted a couple -4s, but on refresh it still shows -4.

additional thought, after ability to edit had passed: I wonder if it's to intentionally deflate scores which drop to -4. For particularly bad ones, it'd encourage moderators to downvote. Not that I particularly think yours is. Must've rubbed a few the wrong way.

Quick quips tend to polarize people on HN: either excessive upvotes or minus 4's. I think it's because since there's not much to go on (usually a sentence), it's like you're throwing all your eggs into a very small basket.

And since HN already discourages one-liners, I think the moral is to quip at your peril!

EDIT: this was meant to be a reply under @shasta.

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