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Re: Switching to Android

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If I might go off on a tangent about one of his points I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately… “Speech recognition is actually useful. Big surprise here. I can tweet, search the web etc. with minor edits to my dictated text” For those who don’t know Android has a built in Voice Recognition API so any application can easily put use it for input while Apple has steadfastly refused to include this feature because “i…

I have never understood the appeal of speech-to-text on mobile phones.

I don't want to sit next to someone on the train while they enunciate a long email or a text message to their girlfriend. Nor do I want to shout my own internet musings at those around me. Besides, these days most of us are used to editing as we write. Good PC dictation software makes that easy. On a mobile phone, you'll end up editing it by thumb anyway.

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The problem with not demanding perfection is that once a feature ships and it's "good enough", it's probably going to stay "good enough" forever.

Yep, Android's has lots of cool features that iPhone has not, but a lot of its core functionality isn't fucking done.

Re: Switching to Android

#22
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Static bits of the Android UI do like pretty nice. The article hits on an extremely good point that I haven't heard enough (but strongly feel myself): Android's UI is just nowhere near as smooth as the iPhone's. "Clunky" is the exact right word. Scrolling on the iPhone is perfect - you can tell Jobs obsessed over making it zero-lag, perfectly smooth. That makes the whole UI -feel- better. And for a lot of users - me…

I agree scrolling was an issue in the past. However, using android 2.1 + JIT (sort of a pre-froyo) on an htc hero, I find scrolling almost on par with the iPhone. I imagine Nexus One's with Froyo are near-perfect.

Nope, still not close. The 2.2 update did make a difference, but it is still far from perfect.

Re: Switching to Android

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Other then the fact that he says iTunes music is DRM'd (I don't think it is any more), I'd say this is a pretty fair review of the Android ecosystem. Edit: This is completely irrelevant, but Chad Fowler looks way different with shorter hair.

I have had an iPod since 2005 and have never purchased music from iTunes. You can purchase or rip music from anywhere and put it on any Apple device. eMusic and Amazon have been the main online music stores I have used. Many people seem to assume that Apple devices can only purchase music from Apple music stores but this has never been the case.

Re: Switching to Android

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post #6

If I might go off on a tangent about one of his points I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately… “Speech recognition is actually useful. Big surprise here. I can tweet, search the web etc. with minor edits to my dictated text” For those who don’t know Android has a built in Voice Recognition API so any application can easily put use it for input while Apple has steadfastly refused to include this feature because “i…

I have never understood the appeal of speech-to-text on mobile phones. I don't want to sit next to someone on the train while they enunciate a long email or a text message to their girlfriend. Nor do I want to shout my own internet musings at those around me. Besides, these days most of us are used to editing as we write. Good PC dictation software makes that easy. On a mobile phone, you'll end up editing it by thumb…

I certainly wouldn't want to dictate a "long email or text message", but I do find the speech to text useful with the built in navigation, web search, and yeah, occasionally short text message replies. For example, from the Android "car dock" app, you can click voice search and say "navigate to Barnes and Nobles", etc.

Re: Switching to Android

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post #4

Other then the fact that he says iTunes music is DRM'd (I don't think it is any more), I'd say this is a pretty fair review of the Android ecosystem. Edit: This is completely irrelevant, but Chad Fowler looks way different with shorter hair.

> he says iTunes music is DRM'd (I don't think it is any more) No more DRM but they do stamp info about you into the metadata so you can be tracked down if you happen to share the files. Amazon doesn't do this.

The last album I purchased from Amazon MP3 has "Amazon.com Song ID: " in the comments field of the ID3 tag.

Re: Switching to Android

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post #15
post #6

If I might go off on a tangent about one of his points I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately… “Speech recognition is actually useful. Big surprise here. I can tweet, search the web etc. with minor edits to my dictated text” For those who don’t know Android has a built in Voice Recognition API so any application can easily put use it for input while Apple has steadfastly refused to include this feature because “i…

My compliant about the voice features in Android isn't just accuracy but also speed. It's just too slow. I can type much faster than it can do speech-to-text. If it does mess something up going back to edit on Android is a bit clunky (nothing like the magnifying glass feature on iPhone) which slows me down even more. Apple has their Voice Control feature and bought Siri so I would imagine they're working on something…

I agree, the voice speed is too slow, and it sends the data back to google for analysis each time, rather than doing it on the phone, which means if you are anywhere with less than stellar reception, or if you have limited data, it can become instantly useless. If you could download the maps for you local area, and do vocal direction searches on it, or search your phone without having to be connected to the internet, I could see myself using it a lot more. As it is, I have found that as useful as voice recognition might be, in reality it is far out-shadowed in usefulness by google gestures, which is quite simply the greatest phone app I have yet discovered. I have gestures set as one of my four taskbar apps in Cyanogen, and in the quickbar, this means that from anywhere In the phone i am only ever two touches away from it.

What google gestures does, for those who have not tried it, is to index everything in your phone, contacts, apps, songs, games, the lot. it then allows you to search through it all by drawing a full screen letter. If a single letter does not narrow the search down enough, wait a second and enter in a second letter. I have never had to enter more than three letters to have the correct item appear, backspace is back swipe, clear is forward swipe. All processing is done on the phone, results are instantaneous and every result gives the option to play, view, edit, send message, call, locate or delete right from the same window. It is genius.

I never seem to see it mentioned in android reviews, but for me this is androids killer app. Combined with swype or shapewriter it totally changed the way i interacted with my phone. Voice recognition may never reach %100, and it may require generalist AI before it does, but contextual gesture recognition is here now and it works fantastically. While iphone has some apps that perform similar task, they are all for a specific purpose, like swype but just for sending texts. Whereas android allows you to set swype as a system wide input default.

Ubiquitous seamless context sensitivity is just so beautiful, it is hard to imagine it not becoming a yardstick against which things are measured. Instead of asking if can email or skype, we may well be asking if it can detect when I'm at the movies and turn itself on silent, or adjust its brightness to match the setting, or make the heater turn on when im getting home. So much of what we use our phones for is predictable, as the sample set of your daily routine grows, your devices should be able to learn and adapt, just as its dictionary builds a lexicon of your used words, so it should build of memory of your default actions and be ready to activate proactively rather than reactively. Why should I have to hunt for the TV remote app, it knows that i am infront of the TV, and that the TV app is what I usually use when I am there, with a bit of context sensitivity the whole debate around ease of use could rightly shift from the sleek ui, to the sleek life integration, which is really where google shines.

Oh and in regards to your issue of going back and editing, I had the same issue, until I finally discovered what that seemingly superfluous trackball was for, precise letter by letter control.

Re: Switching to Android

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I prefer iPhone 4's form-factor, yet I use Nexus One as my primary phone because of its seamless integration of google voice, free turn-by-turn navigation system, and built-in support for tethering.

iPhone has tethering built in since iPhone OS 3. Works very well over there with no AT&T in sight.

Re: Switching to Android

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post #6

If I might go off on a tangent about one of his points I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately… “Speech recognition is actually useful. Big surprise here. I can tweet, search the web etc. with minor edits to my dictated text” For those who don’t know Android has a built in Voice Recognition API so any application can easily put use it for input while Apple has steadfastly refused to include this feature because “i…

(Dragon has an app but you can’t integrate that into an application) I don't think this capability of android is recognized for the amount of power it provides both the developer and the user. It's often said that things like the dialer or contact list can be changed out if the user doesn't like the default one, but that level of integration isn't just at the app level, it's at all the system services. If Android did…

Actually, replacement Input Methods are more common than the ringtone things, in my experience. It's also an area where you see a fair amount of innovation taking place on Android -- there are IMEs like Better Keyboard or Smart Keyboard Pro (which I use personally) but there are also people experimenting with things like Swype.

Android really lowers the bar for creative people developing new ways of interacting with mobile devices, and I think that's probably the single most exciting thing about the platform.

Re: Switching to Android

#29
post #6

If I might go off on a tangent about one of his points I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately… “Speech recognition is actually useful. Big surprise here. I can tweet, search the web etc. with minor edits to my dictated text” For those who don’t know Android has a built in Voice Recognition API so any application can easily put use it for input while Apple has steadfastly refused to include this feature because “i…

I have never understood the appeal of speech-to-text on mobile phones. I don't want to sit next to someone on the train while they enunciate a long email or a text message to their girlfriend. Nor do I want to shout my own internet musings at those around me. Besides, these days most of us are used to editing as we write. Good PC dictation software makes that easy. On a mobile phone, you'll end up editing it by thumb…

>Yep, Android's has lots of cool features that iPhone has not, but a lot of its core functionality isn't fucking done.

Like? I've had a G1 since launch, and I can't really agree with this sentiment.

Yes, Android has had some very rough edges in terms of UI, but, if we're talking core functionality, I've never felt like anything was flat out unfinished. There've been a lot of things added iteratively over the last two years that I wouldn't want to do without now, but everything has been building on the same fundamental base that they shipped with 1.0.

I think it's hard to claim that the competition isn't also guilty of shipping unfinished products. Take a look at the evolution of the iPhone -- all the moaning about copy+paste, multitasking as an afterthought, the fact that cross-app data sharing is still impossible under Apple's ToS, or the fact that Apple fed people a line of bullshit for nearly a year that "if you want to develop for the iPhone, make web apps."

Re: Switching to Android

#30
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My compliant about the voice features in Android isn't just accuracy but also speed. It's just too slow. I can type much faster than it can do speech-to-text. If it does mess something up going back to edit on Android is a bit clunky (nothing like the magnifying glass feature on iPhone) which slows me down even more. Apple has their Voice Control feature and bought Siri so I would imagine they're working on something…

I agree, the voice speed is too slow, and it sends the data back to google for analysis each time, rather than doing it on the phone, which means if you are anywhere with less than stellar reception, or if you have limited data, it can become instantly useless. If you could download the maps for you local area, and do vocal direction searches on it, or search your phone without having to be connected to the internet,…

>Oh and in regards to your issue of going back and editing, I had the same issue, until I finally discovered what that seemingly superfluous trackball was for, precise letter by letter control.

It's really amazing how many people don't realize this.

The trackball's actually part of why I'm holding out for a Snapdragon with a keyboard to replace my G1 - holding shift with the trackball makes block highlighting a breeze, and alt+trackball acts as a Home/End for your current line.

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