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Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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It seems that his ban may be political in nature according to his tweet. https://twitter.com/salilstatistics/status/89891222812829696... Salil Mehta: "Shameful: if you show probability work like Hillary having lower election odds, then this is new definition of hate speech. @JulianAssange"

Seems

Is that tweet in violation of Google's Terms and Conditions?

edit: formatting

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

#83
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After review, your account is not eligible to be reinstated due to a violation of our Terms of Service. Doesn't sound like an accident.

"After review, ..." -- signed, an algorithm. Google is not a human facing company, you're most likely conversing with a bot even when you don't think you are.

>Google is not a human facing company, you're most likely conversing with a bot even when you don't think you are.

In reality, all big dotcoms hire legions of human 'reviewers' in cheap countries distanced from the civilized world

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I can't imagine how people depend so heavily on free accounts from Google. Which notoriously ignores help requests. And typically don't retain backups. Seriously? But bottom line, it's Google's business what they do. And with a free account, there's no recourse. Except maybe getting to HN front page, and reaching someone sympathetic at Google.

I mean, they have _millions_ of users that have never had a problem. It's far more likely this is a mistake than any kind of malicious act, just given the sheer number of customers they have.

We've had multiple people prominent enough to make the front page of hacker news in the last few months. Maybe we should get some statistics on how many people are prominent enough and controversial enough to land on the front page of hn, then work back to how many of their millions of customers are actually affected. Its probably a lot more than just 1.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I wonder how much I would lose if my Gmail was deleted... Everything I have is behind that address. What would be my best bet to move to if I'm too much of a bad to host my own email?

I do two things:

1) I use an address on my own domain (hosted on Google Apps) as my primary email address. If Google pulls the plug on me I can point my MX records elsewhere, and won't have to worry about changing my email at countless places.

2) I use offlineimap to back up the contents of my GMail account at home. If I had to, I could load that backup into a new provider's service (or my own). I still have email from the 90s and would be sad if I lost all that.

That's just email, though. If my entire Google account got axed, I'd lose a bunch of docs and spreadsheets, not to mention all my contacts. And, while I do have everything on Google Photos in places other than Google, it would be a pain to gather it all together again.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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post #55

I can't imagine how people depend so heavily on free accounts from Google. Which notoriously ignores help requests. And typically don't retain backups. Seriously? But bottom line, it's Google's business what they do. And with a free account, there's no recourse. Except maybe getting to HN front page, and reaching someone sympathetic at Google.

"Free accounts" is misleading. Google is not giving anything away for free. They scan the emails and obtain valuable information regarding the user preferences and conversation, which later they use to tune their ads. We are the product.

And, in the case of people like the banned professor, traffic to Google sites (e.g. blog) is multiplied.

We make it sound like Google is gifting us with free email. They're not.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I can't imagine how people depend so heavily on free accounts from Google. Which notoriously ignores help requests. And typically don't retain backups. Seriously? But bottom line, it's Google's business what they do. And with a free account, there's no recourse. Except maybe getting to HN front page, and reaching someone sympathetic at Google.

I mean, they have _millions_ of users that have never had a problem. It's far more likely this is a mistake than any kind of malicious act, just given the sheer number of customers they have.

I doubt that this is a mistake, exactly. It's likely intentional, albeit through unreliable automation. I mean, from Google's perspective, false positives are arguably far less problematic than false negatives. And I'm sure that it happens more than we know. Given that most affected users have no way to get attention.

Edit: OK, so I'm dyslexic. False negatives are arguably more problematic, because they attract more attention.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I can't imagine how people depend so heavily on free accounts from Google. Which notoriously ignores help requests. And typically don't retain backups. Seriously? But bottom line, it's Google's business what they do. And with a free account, there's no recourse. Except maybe getting to HN front page, and reaching someone sympathetic at Google.

"Free accounts" is misleading. Google is not giving anything away for free. They scan the emails and obtain valuable information regarding the user preferences and conversation, which later they use to tune their ads. We are the product. And, in the case of people like the banned professor, traffic to Google sites (e.g. blog) is multiplied. We make it sound like Google is gifting us with free email. They're not.

That's a fair point. But what would we call them, then?

Edit: We call them "non-paid" obviously.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, Peterson is clearly politically active. For those who don't know, he rose from complete obscurity because he opposed an anti-transgender-discrimination bill in Canada. His argument was that it was a serious threat to free speech and would force him to use pronouns he didn't want to use, despite nothing like that being on the bill and despite numerous respectable legal scholars informing him that you could never…

>the supposed infiltration of Marxism into culture and ideas like White Privilege and Cultural Appropriation You can't argue that "white privilege" hasn't infiltrated culture. An alarming amount of people have openly disparaged white people when talking to me, even though I am white myself. If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago. I think it'…

> If you're not white, it's almost socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" in cities like SF, NYC, and Chicago.

This is a fucking joke. You would only believe this if you had completely retreated into a paranoid fantasy just like what Peterson sells.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I wonder how much I would lose if my Gmail was deleted... Everything I have is behind that address. What would be my best bet to move to if I'm too much of a bad to host my own email?

Email providers that I would trust: * Fastmail.com -- good reputation and track record at reasonable prices * mailbox.org -- long track record, privacy-oriented, German-based. Some people describe the mail UI as aging (it's OX suite), but I like it just fine. * Protonmail.com -- UX & privacy focused email with fancy in-browser encryption. Protonmail-to-protonmail emails are E2E (OpenPGPjs). No IMAP, and in-browser (r…

ProtonMail is OpenPGP under the hood, not 'custom' encryption. Tutanota is custom.
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