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Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I wonder how much I would lose if my Gmail was deleted... Everything I have is behind that address. What would be my best bet to move to if I'm too much of a bad to host my own email?

This link from the other thread has a lot of solutions for different options. The Switzerland based options seem pretty promising.

https://www.privacytools.io/

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I strongly recommend everyone to look into hosting your own mail server. DigitalOcean will rent you a Linux VM for $5 a month or something crazy like that. You can figure out how to install postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail it in a few hours. If nothing else, it keeps critical functionality decentralized, and you learn something and $5 a month for career insurance is pretty damn cheap.

That's a very cool idea, but the spam filtering of gmail can hardly be matched. On the plus side, now you could send emails with much larger attachments.

All the spam filtering in the world won't help you after your account evaporates.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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After the last time Google shut down a random high-profile person's life (i.e. their website, their email, their account, etc), I immediately downloaded Thunderbird and got a locally stored copy of all my emails.

If Google shut down my account tomorrow, I think I could recover from pretty much everything else (although I'd have a hell of a time with the Android phone), but a decade and a half of emails are damn near irreplaceable.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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Sorry for being that guy, but what is AMP in this context?

AMP, as pushed by Google, is essentially Google re-hosting a pared-down, mobile-friendly version of your site. Alex Kras has two blog posts that got a lot of traction early on that highlighted some issues with this trend [1] [2]. [1] https://www.alexkras.com/google-may-be-stealing-your-mobile-... [2] https://www.alexkras.com/please-make-google-amp-optional/

Thanks much, I was wondering how AMP made him suspicious of google.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

I strongly recommend everyone to look into hosting your own mail server. DigitalOcean will rent you a Linux VM for $5 a month or something crazy like that. You can figure out how to install postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail it in a few hours. If nothing else, it keeps critical functionality decentralized, and you learn something and $5 a month for career insurance is pretty damn cheap.

Its not the mail server, its deliverability. If you can set up a $5/month server to send email so can every spammer ever and the big mail providers know this.

Mail sent like this won't be delivered anywhere with even the most basic spam filtering which includes blacklists of known spam-source IP address blocks like Digital Ocean/AWS/Heroku.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I just thought it was interesting you (edit: you're not parent, I meant parent) didn't call him out by name, and I wanted to make the connection explicit.

Despite being successful for an academic, he's not exactly a famous psych prof at the level of say, Steven Pinker. Before politics collided with his work this year he didn't seem to be politically active at all, either. It might have changed a bit after Joe Rogan's podcast but to be honest, most people outside of Canada probably have no idea who Jordan Peterson is.

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Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I wonder how much I would lose if my Gmail was deleted... Everything I have is behind that address. What would be my best bet to move to if I'm too much of a bad to host my own email?

Email providers that I would trust:

* Fastmail.com -- good reputation and track record at reasonable prices

* mailbox.org -- long track record, privacy-oriented, German-based. Some people describe the mail UI as aging (it's OX suite), but I like it just fine.

* Protonmail.com -- UX & privacy focused email with fancy in-browser encryption. Protonmail-to-protonmail emails are E2E (OpenPGPjs). No IMAP, and in-browser (read: scary) encryption, albeit open-source. Based in Switzerland, although that means a lot less than they make it out to, re: privacy.

* tutanota.com -- V. similar to Protonmail. Based in Germany and a cheaper than protonmail. Uses a custom-implemented encryption protocol vaguely and unreassuringly described as a "..standardized, hybrid method.." comprised of RSA and AES [0].

[0] https://tutanota.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/470732...

EDIT: Made some corrections re: protonmail & tutanota encryption, pointed out by bartbutler.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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It seems that his ban may be political in nature according to his tweet. https://twitter.com/salilstatistics/status/89891222812829696... Salil Mehta: "Shameful: if you show probability work like Hillary having lower election odds, then this is new definition of hate speech. @JulianAssange"

Clearly, he claims that it is tied to 2016 political campaign position. No substantive evidence for that is presented, though.

I interpreted it to mean that he showed that Hilary's campaign was overconfident on polling, and with proper statistical analysis she would have seen something closer to the truth.

He apparently has worked for both Obama and Trump.

Re: Statistics Professor Just Banned by Google: Here Is His Story

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I strongly recommend everyone to look into hosting your own mail server. DigitalOcean will rent you a Linux VM for $5 a month or something crazy like that. You can figure out how to install postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail it in a few hours. If nothing else, it keeps critical functionality decentralized, and you learn something and $5 a month for career insurance is pretty damn cheap.

Do you find you have problems delivering to other mail servers? That has always been the trick. Running the mail server is easy. Having your email show up in other servers is "hard". Right now, with so many users using GMAIL, using gmail is a huge boon to not being marked spam (Google is way less likely to market a @gmail.com email as spam compared to say a @aol.com email).

I haven't had any issues but I've been hosting my own mail server since 2000 or so. I've been blacklisted by spamhaus? before years ago but I submitted a request to remove and they did. Google has a page to help with this though.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en&vid=0-107...

Also, I personally host at home and have Comcast business internet. I have a 5 IP block of which one is a mail server. I have occasional internet outages and more frequent power outages, but it's been fine.

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No idea what all was on his blog and other google accounts, but according to the article they were used for his work at the university. Also some credible sites like the NYT linking into the disabled blog: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/business/the-stock-market... Google may have had some good reasons or it may have just been an example of ML discriminating against a name like Salil. Either way, it's very distur…

This type of behavior + AMP has pushed me off google completely. I'm determined to cut them out of my technical life entirely, I've even switched myself and everyone I know/support off their DNS. I can't support their shady practices anymore.

I loathe AMP. Biggest piece of crap coming out of Google in a long time.
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