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Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

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Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#81

What does the term "lake" represent in these family of CPUs? Apparently asking this makes me an idiot to some... while I'll admit to simply laziness... I assume that it would tie a technology together as a code name for this family of procs, but in the case of "lake" they use it in multiple differing technologies... So was curious if it meant something else non-obvious to me.

Are you an idiot?

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#82

What does the term "lake" represent in these family of CPUs? Apparently asking this makes me an idiot to some... while I'll admit to simply laziness... I assume that it would tie a technology together as a code name for this family of procs, but in the case of "lake" they use it in multiple differing technologies... So was curious if it meant something else non-obvious to me.

Similar microarch.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#83

> Intel’s big aim with the new processors is, as always, to tackle the growing market of 3-5+ year old devices still being used today, quoting better performance, a better user experience, longer battery life, and fundamentally new experiences when using newer hardware. Two years ago Intel quoted 300 million units fit into this 3-5+ year window; now that number is 450 million. Yep, Intel's problem is that most folks…

The big grief I have with "general computing" platforms is their insistence of sticking with the traditional form factor. ATX, ITX, PCI- , DDR ...outdated, overboard, clunky designs for most people. Take a Mac Mini-like design, and make modules that can stack or otherwise attach to expand capabilities. IMO, this is what Apple should do and be done with the whole "But Mac Pro users ...!" A project Ara-like desktop, bo…

Like the HP Elite Slice?

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/elite-slice/overview.html

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#84
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends. If a bit is flipped in a dataset you are likely fine, if in code your computation might crash. If you use enterprise-grade software like ZFS filesystem that keeps a lot in memory, it's much better to have ECC and accept a bit slower memory access for a bit better protection.

ZFS without ECC is pretty useless ...

ZFS is no more vulnerable to corruption when running without ECC than any other file system.

The developers of zfs suggest ECC because ECC is a worthwhile thing for those who care about their data.

You should stop spreading misinformation.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#85
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big grief I have with "general computing" platforms is their insistence of sticking with the traditional form factor. ATX, ITX, PCI- , DDR ...outdated, overboard, clunky designs for most people. Take a Mac Mini-like design, and make modules that can stack or otherwise attach to expand capabilities. IMO, this is what Apple should do and be done with the whole "But Mac Pro users ...!" A project Ara-like desktop, bo…

Like the HP Elite Slice? http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/elite-slice/overview.html

Yeah. But from a vendor that people want to do business with.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#86

> Intel’s big aim with the new processors is, as always, to tackle the growing market of 3-5+ year old devices still being used today, quoting better performance, a better user experience, longer battery life, and fundamentally new experiences when using newer hardware. Two years ago Intel quoted 300 million units fit into this 3-5+ year window; now that number is 450 million. Yep, Intel's problem is that most folks…

>> It already had enough processing power for everything they wanted (browsing, office, youtube, etc.)

Today's Javascript-packed web pages and HD YouTube content are pushing people to upgrade from their Core 2 Duo and early i5 machines.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#87
post #30

Wait isn't 7th gen already essentially a refresh of 6th gen?

Sure, but this time AMD made Intel to show a real progress with 8 cores ULV CPU (yes to show, as I guess Intel had it ready-made, but was not going to present it for the time being). Before this year Intel didn't have to show the real progress as there was almost monopoly on the CPU market.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#88

What does the term "lake" represent in these family of CPUs? Apparently asking this makes me an idiot to some... while I'll admit to simply laziness... I assume that it would tie a technology together as a code name for this family of procs, but in the case of "lake" they use it in multiple differing technologies... So was curious if it meant something else non-obvious to me.

It doesn't mean anything; Intel has a bunch of unrelated products that all have lake codenames.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#89
post #48

Isn't it better to have more powerful single thread performance for developing in single threaded languages? Looks like a step backwards than? Double the core count and more l3 cache sounds good, even though they crippled the base clock speed.

According to the article, single-core turbo has increased from 4.0 GHz to 4.2 GHz.

Re: Intel Launches 8th Generation CPUs, Starting with Kaby Lake Refresh

#90
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that would be correct for the Desktop, but in laptops the turbo clock normally(?) does not work for a sufficient long time to give it any meaning.

It does in well-designed machines, although usually not in the ultraslim ones. The ThinkPad T470 can sustain full turbo indefinitely according to notebookcheck. Lenovo's premium line (X1 Carbon/Yoga) cannot, though, as they're too thin and light for a sufficiently capable cooling system, and will throttle after a while.

Would you have a link to the page you're referring to? I'm wondering if that's also true for the T470p.
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