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Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by sgift »

rimliu wrote: post #15
sgift wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flagging is a separate system from upvotes. It still needs upvotes to be on the front page - which it has.

What difference does it make if it is the same system or the separate one? I am talking about users' will being ignored there on the whim of someone, just because s/he knows better.

Flagging is - as far as I know - not intended as some system to impose the users 'will'. HN does not allow downvoting of submissions. Flagging is a mechanism to remove topics which are off-topic and/or low-quality from HN, not to remove topics some people don't like.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by dang »

rimliu wrote: post #18
dang wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now it seems I get how fun it is to do the long jump, but given that we're talking about something that happens less than 0.0001% of the time, it seems fair to expect a bit better reply quality than this.

I am probably missing something, but does that mean that you can do anything as long as you do it seldom enough?

It means that a tiny floating-point delta is not a bitwise negation.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by BadassFractal »

Nobody I know in the SV founder/investor scene talks openly about their sex worker preferences, their porn habits or desperately tries to trick their coworkers into surprise romantic weekends together. However, I'm clearly not exposed to the demographic that is all about that, and I'd love to know more about it.

What is it about that group of people that makes them behave that way? Do they feel they're too powerful to be reported? Do they just not have the EQ to understand how they make others around them feel? Someone steel man that one for me.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by dang »

AnonNo15 wrote: post #19

>Honestly, I might have considered dating him had he been >less arrogant and less married. Ah, I see. If you are attractive enough, suddenly it is not sexual harassment anymore. I am not going to have a shred of compassion for any woman in tech who complains about harassment, while mentioning the dating opportunities that happen to come.

> Ah, I see. If you are attractive enough, suddenly it is not sexual harassment

That's not in the least a charitable version of what she said, and this is a generic talking point of the kind that always moves discussions in a less substantive, more angry direction (as indeed you moved yourself in the next paragraph). Please make a u-turn and post the opposite kind of comment here, or no comment.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by BadassFractal »

jankotek wrote: post #23

> One day, I was part of a small group flying from San Francisco to New York on the private jet I am sure life is very difficult for women in Sillicon Valley, but could we start talking about other issues? 99.999% people are less privileged.

I'm assuming the point here is that if women in board rooms are treated like normal human beings, then civility and respect will soon after trickle down to their less powerful peers who also experience sexism and being left out.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by DanBC »

rimliu wrote: post #18
dang wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now it seems I get how fun it is to do the long jump, but given that we're talking about something that happens less than 0.0001% of the time, it seems fair to expect a bit better reply quality than this.

I am probably missing something, but does that mean that you can do anything as long as you do it seldom enough?

People were abusing the flag option. It's a good thing that mods fix that.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by azinman2 »

jankotek wrote: post #23

> One day, I was part of a small group flying from San Francisco to New York on the private jet I am sure life is very difficult for women in Sillicon Valley, but could we start talking about other issues? 99.999% people are less privileged.

Other issues? HN is about the tech industry. It shouldn’t be all roses and technical bits — the unsavory underbelly definitely deserves to be exposed. And unfortunately minorities experience negative things unique to who they are, so it’s important to hear them. The private jet doesn’t matter here — it only demonstrates that discrimination occurs from the very bottom to the very top.
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