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Bay Area as a City State

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Re: Bay Area as a City State

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It's kind of silly California, 'we', Bay Area, are the best and greatest of all, you need us, bow before us. This sounds too one-sided and most likely, it's not that simple.

Anyway, except this reasoning, I'm very keen on the idea of city states, I'd like to try something like that, the city I live in is most likely the first thing I try to identify with, and it is perhaps the authority that affects my life the most (and I even can't vote in the city where I live now…).

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Of course a bay area city state would vote to spend no money on the military industrial complex, and then an orange county city state would invade and conquer them.

We would shut off OC's GPS access and their fleet of armed SUVs would be useless - they'd never make it beyond LA

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Of course a bay area city state would vote to spend no money on the military industrial complex, and then an orange county city state would invade and conquer them.

Well, it seems that Singapore, as a model city state in that article, has much stronger military forces than many much larger and more populated countries.

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Of course a bay area city state would vote to spend no money on the military industrial complex, and then an orange county city state would invade and conquer them.

We would shut off OC's GPS access and their fleet of armed SUVs would be useless - they'd never make it beyond LA

You don't have to turn off their GPS for them to get stuck in LA's gridlock and miss the invasion time. They are their own worst enemy.

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"In an age when nations have become so large that their citizens no longer identify with distant governments..." What? it would seem like the complete opposite of this is true. I would say that nationalism and national identity, in the US and most other places in the world, is stronger now than it has been in the past 50 years.

Identifying with your governing body and feeling represented is NOT the same thing as having "national pride".

Re: Bay Area as a City State

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Google is incorporated in Delaware. Apple (through Braeburn Capital since the mid-2000s) manages most of its assets in Nevada. They're not paying state corporate income taxes to anyone, let alone California. Perhaps they're not using any of the services that California state taxes provide. But it's sort of a complicated argument. The state has a long history. Perhaps this article is a good way to break the deadlock.…

I have always thought that there is a reason (or can be, depending). When the capital city is also the largest city, the rest of the state can often be ignored (a complaint from many about Boston, for example). If the capital is outside of the major cities then the government can better focus on the state as a whole without getting involved in local politics (think Albany vs New York City).

Also, often capitals are moved outside of major cities due to population and infrastructure, as sometimes larger cities can't sustain any more growth (which is what happened to Malaysia).

San Francisco has interestingly never been a contender for the capital, as before Sacramento it was Monterey (and Benicia and Vallejo but those were just stints). And if it were, the odds of the State focusing on the Bay Area before anywhere else could indeed become an issue.

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If I were in charge of California, an independent Bay Area would be paying through the nose for water.

Residential users use about 10% of the water, last time I looked. Larger users are alpha, hay, and rice. So if we ban growing rice in the desert, we will have plenty for the people. CA rice is probably for export, because it is the shor grain variety, not the long grain that most of us eat.

That is true, but what parent is alluding to is that the rest of California would have a monopoly on our water supply. The real demand matters little when said demand is inelastic and only one guy controls it.

This is probably the one biggest reason why nation-states exist as they do today. The sum of the parts is less than the whole. This leads to some interesting ideas. What if societies go through downturns (and even collapse) because the central bureaucracy becomes a net negative instead of a net positive, as is happening in California today? But this digresses from the topic at hand.

Re: Bay Area as a City State

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Residents pay taxes to the feds and the state, some of that money trickles back down to the state, and some of that money trickles back down to the city. Wake me up when we can pay taxes to our city-states, and some of that money trickles up to the state, and some of that money trickles up to the feds.

You would love CA then, where the state seizes local taxes to pay state bills and the republicans rant on about lowering taxes. The cities are feeling the pinch and have to cut local services.

That's not at all what I said I wanted :)

I want trickle-up instead of trickle-down taxes, ie, the city controls the purse strings instead of the federal and state governments.

Re: Bay Area as a City State

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Google is incorporated in Delaware. Apple (through Braeburn Capital since the mid-2000s) manages most of its assets in Nevada. They're not paying state corporate income taxes to anyone, let alone California. Perhaps they're not using any of the services that California state taxes provide. But it's sort of a complicated argument. The state has a long history. Perhaps this article is a good way to break the deadlock.…

Apple was, and is, incorporated in California. Perhaps you're thinking of Braeburn Capital, their cash-management subsidiary which they (relatively recently) created in Nevada.
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