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The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot to unpack in that comment, and I'm not going to take a swing at much of it, except to say that you should be careful of confusing visibility with reality. Both the haves and the have nots are equipped with increasingly large megaphones (instagram, et al). Most people are regular, and guys have been "taking" other guy's girls since we were beating each other with sticks. The idea that this phenomenon is…

Never before could a woman open an app and literally have hundreds of men at her door within minutes (all while men struggle to get a single match). This has created such an imbalance that the women are able to reject roughly the bottom 80% of men leaving most men struggling to get the attention of the bottom 20% of women. And yes, there are lots of men with shortcomings, physical ones, that have rendered them out of…

Are you concerned about this because of your own issues with dating?

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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> polarization What polarization is there in Washington? Or outside the beltway? What are the two poles? How people feel about transexuals? I don't see any polarization. The two parties are close together on almost everything. As the real differences fade, unimportant differences must be heightened. Trump is of that type - he makes a big show, but on what big issue in which he can get anywhere is he substantially far…

There's a fairly great Reddit post that I won't attempt so summarize here, but it walks through the party votes on major issues and highlights what I would consider a broader degree of difference.

https://np.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/6pc5qu/democrats...

Separately, something that really concerns me is gerrymandering - which has pushed for more extreme views on both sides as there are far fewer "mixed" districts.

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

#43
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never before could a woman open an app and literally have hundreds of men at her door within minutes (all while men struggle to get a single match). This has created such an imbalance that the women are able to reject roughly the bottom 80% of men leaving most men struggling to get the attention of the bottom 20% of women. And yes, there are lots of men with shortcomings, physical ones, that have rendered them out of…

I'm going to venture a guess that you spend a lot of time on r/incels. I'm going to further guess that you're using a throwaway because somewhere in your mind, you realize that what you're saying is cranky, entitled, and doesn't hold water. I won't reply after this. Sorry you feel cheated by the world.

I think there was some machine learning-based article from some dating site (PoF? Tinder?) a few years back that more-less supported those claims? I don't use dating apps so have no idea what the "market" is but I am sure dating sites have the ability to extract perfect stats - maybe somebody from there could chip in and tell us? "Applied Sociology" anyone?

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never before could a woman open an app and literally have hundreds of men at her door within minutes (all while men struggle to get a single match). This has created such an imbalance that the women are able to reject roughly the bottom 80% of men leaving most men struggling to get the attention of the bottom 20% of women. And yes, there are lots of men with shortcomings, physical ones, that have rendered them out of…

Are you concerned about this because of your own issues with dating?

No. I'm married. With children. I'm very interested in the social aspects of this though.

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

#45
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never before could a woman open an app and literally have hundreds of men at her door within minutes (all while men struggle to get a single match). This has created such an imbalance that the women are able to reject roughly the bottom 80% of men leaving most men struggling to get the attention of the bottom 20% of women. And yes, there are lots of men with shortcomings, physical ones, that have rendered them out of…

I'm going to venture a guess that you spend a lot of time on r/incels. I'm going to further guess that you're using a throwaway because somewhere in your mind, you realize that what you're saying is cranky, entitled, and doesn't hold water. I won't reply after this. Sorry you feel cheated by the world.

I don't feel cheated. I'm married with kids and had great luck with women. I care about the social aspects of this.

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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post #9

Here's a question. Do you belong to any organization which chooses its leaders democratically? That is, you get to vote, there's more than one candidate, and the incumbents and their designated successors sometimes get kicked out? Do you belong to any organization which has member meetings in which members can vote and make decisions binding on the organization?

Many IEEE sub-groups have democratic elections. Most of my college organizations had elections and large turnover. My condo has elections, though it is difficult to find individuals who even want to run (and commit the necessary time.) The congregation I belong to had elections.

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

#47
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot to unpack in that comment, and I'm not going to take a swing at much of it, except to say that you should be careful of confusing visibility with reality. Both the haves and the have nots are equipped with increasingly large megaphones (instagram, et al). Most people are regular, and guys have been "taking" other guy's girls since we were beating each other with sticks. The idea that this phenomenon is…

Never before could a woman open an app and literally have hundreds of men at her door within minutes (all while men struggle to get a single match). This has created such an imbalance that the women are able to reject roughly the bottom 80% of men leaving most men struggling to get the attention of the bottom 20% of women. And yes, there are lots of men with shortcomings, physical ones, that have rendered them out of…

The statistics in this article contradict what you say: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/moneybox/2015/05/sex_hist...

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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This was touched upon heavily in the book 'The Righteous Mind' by Jonathan Haidt, an amazing book if you're interested in this sort of thing and part of Bill Gate's reading list where I first found it. This quote (by Bertrand Russell) stood out: "Social cohesion is a necessity, and mankind has never yet succeeded in enforcing cohesion by merely rational arguments. Every community is exposed to two opposite dangers: o…

I'm not sure I follow his thought process on why "through the growth of individualism and personal experience that makes cooperation impossible." On a simple personal level, I'm for individualism and cooperation, so I'm not seeing the inherent conflict. Perhaps it's a matter of definitions?

Re: The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America (2013)

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This was touched upon heavily in the book 'The Righteous Mind' by Jonathan Haidt, an amazing book if you're interested in this sort of thing and part of Bill Gate's reading list where I first found it. This quote (by Bertrand Russell) stood out: "Social cohesion is a necessity, and mankind has never yet succeeded in enforcing cohesion by merely rational arguments. Every community is exposed to two opposite dangers: o…

The constant battle between rigidity and chaos.
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