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The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

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Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

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tylersmith wrote: post #29
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me, then trying to point out it's hypocritical to compete with you. :) When it's possible for a new technology to be created and fundamentally shape society, it will inevitably be created. There is a chance that you're right about OB. If you are, then the first entity to make this technology work will have a massive advantage, just like Bi…

"No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me" I did not think you were serious, and I apologize for poaching now that I know you were serious. I thought you were joking. There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm…

There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad.

I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite.

Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tendency to backfire. And the fact that you'd do it publicly is further proof of the kind of people that are behind this.

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

#33

Post by tylersmith »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #25
tylersmith wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you think I'm trying to deflect from but if you spell it out for me I'm more than happy to be candid. "A better analogy would be the founders of TPB. They went to jail for getting money from pirated content (ads). What do you think will happen to you when you try to extract any money at all from a network that people are using for darknet purposes?" TPB is a search engine for pirated content. OB1 se…

No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me, then trying to point out it's hypocritical to compete with you. :) When it's possible for a new technology to be created and fundamentally shape society, it will inevitably be created. There is a chance that you're right about OB. If you are, then the first entity to make this technology work will have a massive advantage, just like Bi…

Continuing this discussion in Slack would be great if you wouldn't mind. Faster back and forth. It's public and you can always publish the logs if you're worried about some sort of manipulation. If you're serious about entering the space you might not want to come in totally blind.

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

#34

Post by sillysaurus3 »

tylersmith wrote: post #30
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is misinformation at best, and a straight-up lie at worst. http://samuelrpatterson.com/about-me/ I’m a husband and father of three living in Virginia. I'd rather assume positive intent, but you really aren't helping your cause here. If any readers are interested in more about OpenBazaar (and possibly why to stop them), here's a subthread from last time they came up on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=148…

Oh man, it's very tragic that Sam has not updated his website. Stop us? How do you propose to do that? Edit: Also I implore anybody that thinks Sam is a "spook" to speak with him on Slack or Reddit. He is one of the smartest libertarian thinkers I've personally met. It's genuinely funny to think he might be an undercover narc or something.

Friend, your implication here was that he wasn't from Virginia and located nowhere close to there. Clearly he has strong ties there. That makes your comment misinformation.

I propose that anyone who thumbs their nose at the idea that we as a community can do better than them should join me before they gain real power. We've seen what motivated devs can do. I think we should harness this energy, or at least try.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't quite know what that will look like. But it has to be better than what we've seen. Are you sure there's no way to beat someone who mocks a fellow dev publicly and declares they're so far ahead that we shouldn't bother trying?

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

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Post by tylersmith »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #31
tylersmith wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No more hypocritical than extending an offer to the person who offered to help me" I did not think you were serious, and I apologize for poaching now that I know you were serious. I thought you were joking. There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm…

There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite. Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tenden…

"Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tendency to backfire."

Heard a billion times. If you're right and they come for somebody as low level as me feel free to gloat.

"And the fact that you'd do it publicly is further proof of the kind of people that are behind this."

What on Earth does that mean? I'm more than proud to be working on this project and have no reason to not be public. But "what kind of people" are you talking about? How is being open about my identity some kind of shady signal?

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

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Post by tylersmith »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #34
tylersmith wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man, it's very tragic that Sam has not updated his website. Stop us? How do you propose to do that? Edit: Also I implore anybody that thinks Sam is a "spook" to speak with him on Slack or Reddit. He is one of the smartest libertarian thinkers I've personally met. It's genuinely funny to think he might be an undercover narc or something.

Friend, your implication here was that he wasn't from Virginia and located nowhere close to there. Clearly he has strong ties there. That makes your comment misinformation. I propose that anyone who thumbs their nose at the idea that we as a community can do better than them should join me before they gain real power. We've seen what motivated devs can do. I think we should harness this energy, or at least try. I'll…

"Friend, your implication here was that he wasn't from Virginia and located nowhere close to there."

We're not even close to friends so don't be patronizing. You said the two founders lived in Virginia and I correctly stated that there are 3 founders and only one lives there. Sam having lived there before in no way affects our project. You're being ridiculous. You're original comment even admitted that you may be being ridiculous but still you persist.

I didn't say you shouldn't bother trying; I've said multiple times that _anybody_ working in this space is a gain. If you are really going to work on a totally open and free market that's wonderful. I don't care if OB loses I only care that some free marketplace wins. And I believe it will.

Your awful attitude and assumptions of ill will won't serve you well though.

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

#37

Post by sillysaurus3 »

tylersmith wrote: post #35
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many cases for free markets than you seem to be worried about. I am not trying to hide the fact that people can use Tor and the internet to do things they should not do. The good outweighs the bad. I'm sorry you have such a sour disposition on our project but frankly it doesn't matter. You're a lot of bark and no bite. Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tenden…

"Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tendency to backfire." Heard a billion times. If you're right and they come for somebody as low level as me feel free to gloat. "And the fact that you'd do it publicly is further proof of the kind of people that are behind this." What on Earth does that mean? I'm more than proud to be working on this project and have no reason to not…

Antagonizing publicly. Not "being public about your identity."

I've often heard pg say it's not important to correct people when they're trying to misinterpret you. Maybe this is what he meant.

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

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Post by tylersmith »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #37
tylersmith wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Oh really? Let's find out. Antagonizing people from a position of power has a nice tendency to backfire." Heard a billion times. If you're right and they come for somebody as low level as me feel free to gloat. "And the fact that you'd do it publicly is further proof of the kind of people that are behind this." What on Earth does that mean? I'm more than proud to be working on this project and have no reason to not…

Antagonizing publicly. Not "being public about your identity." I've often heard pg say it's not important to correct people when they're trying to misinterpret you. Maybe this is what he meant.

You called our project the "scariest" you've ever seen. How am I the one being antagonistic? I've done nothing but try to assuage your concerns and wish you luck in your own venture. If you're not going to be cooperative and only make assertions of malcontent your venture will not go very far in this community.

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

#39

Post by tylersmith »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #34
tylersmith wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man, it's very tragic that Sam has not updated his website. Stop us? How do you propose to do that? Edit: Also I implore anybody that thinks Sam is a "spook" to speak with him on Slack or Reddit. He is one of the smartest libertarian thinkers I've personally met. It's genuinely funny to think he might be an undercover narc or something.

Friend, your implication here was that he wasn't from Virginia and located nowhere close to there. Clearly he has strong ties there. That makes your comment misinformation. I propose that anyone who thumbs their nose at the idea that we as a community can do better than them should join me before they gain real power. We've seen what motivated devs can do. I think we should harness this energy, or at least try. I'll…

And can you please clarify, are you concerned about us being a free market or about "spooks" knowing what bad people are up to?

Re: The Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution (2002) [pdf]

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Post by tylersmith »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #28
tylersmith wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 3 founders, and Brian is the only one that close to Langley. Sam lives in Michigan and Washington lives in Australia.

This is misinformation at best, and a straight-up lie at worst. http://samuelrpatterson.com/about-me/ I’m a husband and father of three living in Virginia. I'd rather assume positive intent, but you really aren't helping your cause here. If any readers are interested in more about OpenBazaar (and possibly why to stop them), here's a subthread from last time they came up on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=148…

Update: Sam has been informed that his website is out of date and he'll update it.
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