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Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by TD-Linux »

cma wrote: post #19
justonepost wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely they are patenting their use of ANS rather than ANS itself. You can patent anything if you get specific enough. For things like video formats it actually works because it keeps others from creating decoders/encoders.

Applying it to video is one of the most obvious applications and it pretty much just slots in as a module, replacing huffman coding or arithmetic coding.

The patent describes not just "slotting in", but one way in particular. Note that if you were to "slot in" ANS into the current AV1 codebase, for example, it wouldn't actually read on this patent because AV1 codes its coefficients differently.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by gaius »

rdtsc wrote: post #22
Sylphine wrote: post #9

Brought to you by the company that fires employees that desire to discuss company diversity programs and bans content on its severs that it deems unethical. Totally not evil.

What better slogan if they really planned on being evil. It is not unlike the Cloudflare banning some crazy right wing website recently and publicly claiming it dangerous for a company to become the online arbiter for speech, while the CEO behind the scenes is sending memos how it was his decision and just something he wanted to do etc. I think it a pretty common pattern for the perpetrators to claim officially to ve…

Are CloudFlare still serving content for ISIS? Who are engaged in genocide and slavery right now.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by xorblurb »

jhall1468 wrote: post #37
Cpoll wrote: post #35

Can anyone explain Google's rationale here? As I understand the US patent system, patent trolls can and do make these sorts of patent filings all the time, and the legitimacy doesn't matter, because their victims can't afford to defend themselves in court. Isn't it irrational not to file patents like these? Or is Google planning to use this patent "offensively?"

Google has never used a patent offensively. Hell even Waymo was more about theft than patents. But HN turns rabid in these situations rather than understanding Google has to do this to prevent trolls from doing it.

HN turns rabid, rightfully so. Even with so-called good motives, which are not even proven. And to be clear, in no way there can be a good motive here: their pledge is limited to Free and Open Source Software, its not even sure this pledge is binding, and EVEN if they really do limit their use of this patent (would have it been misattributed to Google by error), I don't think they would EVER pay the real inventor the value they gain from obtain from having it in their stockpile, even less if they do want to use it after another giant attack them.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by jhall1468 »

Klockan wrote: post #42
jhall1468 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I do. I also have the right to ignore you when you say stupid shit like this, or call you out on it like I am now. You have exactly the same right.

> I also have the right to ignore you Not if he is your boss and just fired you.

Yep, because you don't have the right to be both employed and say whatever you want. Welcome to real life.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by jhall1468 »

xorblurb wrote: post #53
jhall1468 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has never used a patent offensively. Hell even Waymo was more about theft than patents. But HN turns rabid in these situations rather than understanding Google has to do this to prevent trolls from doing it.

HN turns rabid, rightfully so. Even with so-called good motives, which are not even proven. And to be clear, in no way there can be a good motive here: their pledge is limited to Free and Open Source Software, its not even sure this pledge is binding, and EVEN if they really do limit their use of this patent (would have it been misattributed to Google by error), I don't think they would EVER pay the real inventor the…

Their history dictates their motives, and having never offensively used a patent as of the moment they clearly have good motives.

You are attacking the player, not the game. Software patents shouldn't exist. But in reality they do, and as of this moment I would much rather Google own the patent than a troll.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by jhall1468 »

Sylphine wrote: post #44
jhall1468 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has never used a patent offensively. Hell even Waymo was more about theft than patents. But HN turns rabid in these situations rather than understanding Google has to do this to prevent trolls from doing it.

>Google has to do this to prevent trolls from doing it. So you believe that a company as powerful as Google deserves more consolidated power. No, thanks.I will stick with the possibility of getting sued by a troll than handing that power to Google.

No, but they've never used that power whereas trolls always use it for bad.

The fact that you'd rather have a troll own it than Google is literally retarded. That's like advocating you'd prefer North Korea have nukes than the US, because the US already has too much power.

Why would you rather be sued in real life over a theoretical fear? Is absurd.

Re: Poland's oldest university denies Google's right to patent Polish coding concept

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Post by Sylphine »

gaius wrote: post #54
master_yoda_1 wrote: post #18

Someone should stop the monopoly of google in computer science and AI. Otherwise its going to be dangerous.

It needs to be broken up like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System

More than 90 % of its revenue comes from ads so I don't see a way they would be affected. The only valuable brands are Youtube and the search engine(android could even operate as a nonprofit funded by Google). Progress but hardly a "win".
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