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Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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If only it were possible to set a default browser on iOS.

Wasn't there a huge anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft for preventing other browsers on their platform? How does Apple get away with it when MS couldn't?

Probably a mix of Apple not having a monopoly in the mobile space and other browsers till being allowed on the app store.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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This would have been perfect for iPad 2's and 3's on which Safari and the normal Firefox keep crashing under the weight of the current bloated web. But alas, the "simple and lightweight" Firefox Focus actually requires a heavyweight 64-bit processor: > Why aren't older Apple products supported? Safari Content Blockers (which include Firefox Focus) are only available on devices with an A7 processor (64-bit) or later.…

This is an Apple restriction, not a Firefox restriction. Focus is a Safari webview, so Mozilla is limited by what features Apple allows them to use.

They might have been able to get by without the 64bit requirement if it just blocked content in the webview, but it also blocks trackers in Safari.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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This stuff is used for deciding what features to prioritise This is exactly what every company tells you why they collect data. "To serve you better ...". The hypocrisy to advertise "tracking protection" as a key feature and then send tracking data to your own servers is hillarious.

The kind of intrusive cross-site “we want to know evetyrging you do on the internet” style tracking that focus blocks is completely different than the minimal application usage telemetry that it collects. Focus increments a counter if you search. With no way of knowing who you are, what you searched for or any way to correlate it to other telemetry.

Pretty sure they will get your IP. If you use any other Mozilla product, chances are they know who you are. And they can correlate it with other telemetry data. Not saying they do, just that they can.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Wasn't there a huge anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft for preventing other browsers on their platform? How does Apple get away with it when MS couldn't?

Probably a mix of Apple not having a monopoly in the mobile space and other browsers till being allowed on the app store.

Allowing other browsers to be installed didn't stop Microsoft from losing an anti-trust suit.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Firefox Focus is great. It's amazing how much better web readability and performance gets when you block most of the adtech garbage.

What exactly is great about firefox focus ? What does it have over installing ublock origins in any other browser ?

how do you install ublock on android chrome?

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Because that library is there does not mean that we are giving data to Google. It does not even mean that it is active or that it is sending anything. This is a very strange conclusion that you present. I feel you are just twisting and turning to come to an unfavourable outcome here. Even Google has decent data collection policies. They will not randomly make an application collect data without the developer opting i…

> Even Google has decent data collection policies. I’m not sure if you’re trying to intentionally ignore the issue here. You are asking people to trust Google. If people trusted Google, they’d use Google Chrome in the first place. Your entire userbase is people that don’t trust Google, at all. If you use Google proprietary software in Firefox, and tell people to just trust Google, you just entirely destroyed every va…

I don't think they're ignoring the issue, I think you're pushing an issue that they've already explained in parts of their statement that you chose not to quote.

> st3fan: Because that library is there does not mean that we are giving data to Google. It does not even mean that it is active or that it is sending anything.

Having gone through the comment chain in other places it seems like your entire position in the debate between you and st3fan is based on ignoring what he's actually saying in general. In response to their request for evidence your responded

>That's pretty simple. Don't use proprietary software.

which sidesteps the query entirely and does nothing to lend credibility to your original position.

I don't expect to change your mind and frankly I don't have a reason to, but if your goal is to have productive or persuasive conversations then you may want to evaluate your current communication strategy.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Because Firefox Focus isn't itself a browser, but rather a wrapper around Android and iOS's built in browsers. That is why the underlying engine in blink/webkit and not gecko. I am probably drastically simplifying things but the primary components of the app are just a content blocker and a preferences page.

I would guess that's only true on IOS, because apps are forced to use the operating system's webview?

It is also the case on Android. It's nice, because many people will want to install it alongside a full-blown browser. And it makes browser startup quite a bit quicker, making it very much effective at this one-off search use-case.

And it happens to block the vast majority of ads, so Mozilla isn't exactly making friends with webpage owners by supplying this. Had they used Gecko for this, then the percentage of people on Gecko with ads blocked would have risen and that might have resulted in webpage owners spending less time to ensure that their webpage isn't broken on Gecko, therefore effectively dragging down the situation for actual Firefox.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Looks awesome and fast. Exactly what’s needed and expected from Mozilla. Thank you! Can we have something similar for desktop as well?

You could, until mozilla decided to drop support for extensions that made this possible that is. Alternatively there is waterfox + ublock origins. Waterfox is firefox without the mozilla crap: Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) Disabled Web Runtime (deprecated as of 2015) Removed Pocket Removed Telemetry Removed data collection Removed startup profiling Allow running of all 64-Bit NPAPI plugins Allow running o…

Adding a bunch of legacy extensions to your Firefox is going to do the opposite of making it a fast, lightweight browser.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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I'd quit while you're ahead there niko. Your comments demonstrate a lack of understanding of the space which is totally OK. It is not OK to act in a retaliatory manner when you are not the master of a domain and are specifically called out on it. Humility is the most important skill a software developer can learn. Thanks to leaks and other revelations we don't need to be paranoid because we have enough information to…

I might agree with the rest, but this: > It is not OK to act in a retaliatory manner when you are not the master of a domain and are specifically called out on it. Who did I retaliate against? And who called me out on what, exactly? I'm saying that Firefox Focus is a little toy if you really care about privacy, and to use Tor if you want be safe from spying. I visit https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity every once…

The retaliatory comment I referenced was

>If you think incognito mode protects you in any way, than it's you who is naive.

newscracker called you out specifically in the parent post with

> This is a very naïve view of what incognito/private browsing mode is for.

Re: Firefox Focus – A new private browser for iOS and Android

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Wasn't there a huge anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft for preventing other browsers on their platform? How does Apple get away with it when MS couldn't?

Probably a mix of Apple not having a monopoly in the mobile space and other browsers till being allowed on the app store.

I am not up to date. I didn't realize they allow other browsers now. When I was building iOS apps Apple had specific wording which prevented apps in the app store which duplicated functionality already available in iOS. That meant things like the AdBlock Firefox build could not be published in the App Store.

It was, in great part, their legal team and strategy that pushed me away from Apple.

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