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Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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How is this different than the rest of the game industry?

I hate to say it for fear of giving aid and comfort to my Gender Studies professors, but I think a major portion of the reason why Blizzard et al get geek cred and FarmVille does not is because FarmVille is played by women.

I'd expect Mafia Wars to have mostly male players, and I'd put it in the same category as Farmville, i.e. time sinks with virtually no skill or strategy components.

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The games are designed to be addictive, not fun in the long term. You could argue the same about WoW but at least in that case there is a lot to do over a long period before you truly get into the addictive repetition phase. Something like farmville is pretty much that from the start.

I would say that making a game addictive is the holy grail of gaming, no?

From the perspective of the people making money off the players? Yes.

When I'm actually playing a game myself, though, and recognizing that these two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, I prefer fun over addictive.

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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Can you imagine working on Farmville? I mean, it would be like going into work every day to refine the equivilent of the Fisher Price moo farm toy [1] except a) for adults and b) relatively juvenile. Imagine the meetings, mostly run by marketing idiots. "Okay, we need the new chewy coco grove coconut tree special item out by next Monday. So that means everyone's coming in on saturday." But how can you argue with 85 m…

You get to run experiments on a huge number of users. Do a split test and get a significant result in an hour. Figure out a way to make it just 1% stickier and suddenly you created value worth millions to the company. It sounds fascinating and I could easily imagine working there.

Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you? The more users you get though, the more conservative you become. "But if this drops conversion by 0.1%, that will cost us $100k/week." Gets old fast and stifles change.

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different than the rest of the game industry?

I hate to say it for fear of giving aid and comfort to my Gender Studies professors, but I think a major portion of the reason why Blizzard et al get geek cred and FarmVille does not is because FarmVille is played by women.

I think that's only true in the sense that people always give more cred to products that they, personally, use. It's the same reason that Google = sexy while enterprise software = not sexy. Almost everybody uses Google, but very few people use any given enterprise software package (and when they do, they usually hate it).

If it were just a male/female thing, you'd expect games like SimCity and Civilization to not get geek cred, since their appeal straddles gender lines.

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get to run experiments on a huge number of users. Do a split test and get a significant result in an hour. Figure out a way to make it just 1% stickier and suddenly you created value worth millions to the company. It sounds fascinating and I could easily imagine working there.

Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you? The more users you get though, the more conservative you become. "But if this drops conversion by 0.1%, that will cost us $100k/week." Gets old fast and stifles change.

Do you work there? Just curious.

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different than the rest of the game industry?

I hate to say it for fear of giving aid and comfort to my Gender Studies professors, but I think a major portion of the reason why Blizzard et al get geek cred and FarmVille does not is because FarmVille is played by women.

That's hardly the reason as The Sims which is also played by many women get's lots of cred.

The reason seems more to be that it's not blazing fast OpenGL 3D supernaturalistic advanced strategy/fps type of game.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The games are designed to be addictive, not fun in the long term. You could argue the same about WoW but at least in that case there is a lot to do over a long period before you truly get into the addictive repetition phase. Something like farmville is pretty much that from the start.

I would say that making a game addictive is the holy grail of gaming, no?

I'd say the holy grail is to improve people's lives, potentially even make the world a better place.

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different than the rest of the game industry?

I hate to say it for fear of giving aid and comfort to my Gender Studies professors, but I think a major portion of the reason why Blizzard et al get geek cred and FarmVille does not is because FarmVille is played by women.

A lot of people (including me) criticize WoW for being repetitive and mind numbing (grinding), too. I don't think it has anything to do with gender. Also there seem to be actually a lot of women who play WoW?

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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Just throwing this out there: I consider it unethical to invest in Zynga. Edit: They are essentially using psychology, social and otherwise, to ultimately trick people out of their money. A classic on the topic: http://techcrunch.com/2009/10/31/scamville-the-social-gaming...

Care to expand? I'm not especially familiar with them other than they make some casual games.

A while ago they were involved in a scandal, when it became clear that most of their money came from ads for scams. Don't have a link for you, but should be easy to find. (Edit: "Scamville" might be a good keyword to try).

Re: Google Secretly Invested In Zynga, Preparing To Launch Google Games

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Does this mean we can finally abandon the idea that Google's mission is "to organize the world's information"?

In my opinion Google is all over the place, everywhere at the same time which could lead to overextension of resources and finances. This could ruin Google at some point in the future, they are losing focus.
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