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E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by andrepd »

tyrw wrote: post #6

I ran an ecommerce company for about a year, and one click checkout was the least of our concerns when it came to Amazon. The speed of delivery, prime benefits, brand recognition, and willingness to lose money on many if not most items are absolutely brutal to compete against. I'm glad one click checkout will be more broadly available, but it's probably not going to make much of a difference...

Absolutely. They have the capital and the scale to outcompete you and anyone that tries to go against them. Bar regulations to protect competition, you have no chance.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by YCode »

tyrw wrote: post #6

I ran an ecommerce company for about a year, and one click checkout was the least of our concerns when it came to Amazon. The speed of delivery, prime benefits, brand recognition, and willingness to lose money on many if not most items are absolutely brutal to compete against. I'm glad one click checkout will be more broadly available, but it's probably not going to make much of a difference...

A lot of people don't realize (or maybe care?) that Amazon makes up a fair amount of that loss from screwing over distributors and third party sellers.

The Walmart of the Internet, I suppose.

FWIW I usually try to find more direct sources before buying on Amazon. If the other source can drop a few bucks off the Amazon price and offer free shipping I'll buy it direct from them.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by elboru »

tyrw wrote: post #6

I ran an ecommerce company for about a year, and one click checkout was the least of our concerns when it came to Amazon. The speed of delivery, prime benefits, brand recognition, and willingness to lose money on many if not most items are absolutely brutal to compete against. I'm glad one click checkout will be more broadly available, but it's probably not going to make much of a difference...

I love paper books, I love seeing them in my shelf, but since I bought a Kindle I just stopped buying paper books. It is just too easy to buy a kindle book with one click.

The process goes like this, someone recommends a book in HN, they provide an Amazon link, I read a couple of reviews, at this point I'm convinced about buying the book or not, or even if I'm not totally convinced, the price, and the easiness of just one click makes me do it. That process has increased the amount of books I read per year. Sure the button is only a small part of that, but I think is an esencial part, I think Walmart can get a lot of benefit from this.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by joecool1029 »

aianus wrote: post #20
clan wrote: post #10

I have always hated the thought that retailers stored my credit card information. Seems to be very common with US based shops. If this gets any traction I will need to fight even harder to opt out. I yearn for the day I can have one off transaction codes.

Why don't you like retailers storing your card? You get all the convenience with none of the risk (if there's any fraud the merchant eats all of it!).

For credit cards this is the case.

For debit cards, the dispute process is called Reg E and the consumer is out the money for a month or more until decided in their favor. So there's risk in storing a debit card number.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by blibble »

dboreham wrote: post #15

I have been buying from Amazon for 20 years and have not once used 1-Click.

it very rarely works... you click it and then it asks to update your credit card details (even though I've been buying using that card for years)

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by tenkeyless »

ballenf wrote: post #30
jaymzcampbell wrote: post #5

Setting aside the madness that is the patent itself ever being granted, what I found most interesting on that post was that this could now (possibly) become an actual web standard in the future: > the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has started writing a draft proposal for one click buying methods. The W3C site itself has a number of web payment related proposals in progress[1]. The Payment Request API, in particular…

I found > the patent will expire and the technology behind it will be free to be used by any e-commerce site particularly specious. There is no "technology" behind it. It was a concept or busines process that the vaguaries of patent law deemed worthy of rewarding. Not to mention that any technology ("source code") Amazon used to implement the patent will remain under copyright essentially indefinitely.

this is nonsense

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by NelsonMinar »

The 1-Click patent was the genesis of a long debate between Jeff Bezos and Tim O'Reilly about software patents. It resulted in the formation of BountyQuest, a 2000-era effort to pay bounties for prior art for bad patents. Unfortunately it didn't really work out. But the history of arguing about software patents is pretty interesting. http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly//news/patent_archiv...

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by wbl »

andrepd wrote: post #31
tyrw wrote: post #6

I ran an ecommerce company for about a year, and one click checkout was the least of our concerns when it came to Amazon. The speed of delivery, prime benefits, brand recognition, and willingness to lose money on many if not most items are absolutely brutal to compete against. I'm glad one click checkout will be more broadly available, but it's probably not going to make much of a difference...

Absolutely. They have the capital and the scale to outcompete you and anyone that tries to go against them. Bar regulations to protect competition, you have no chance.

That's great for consumers.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by bby »

fps wrote: post #29
dboreham wrote: post #15

I have been buying from Amazon for 20 years and have not once used 1-Click.

I've used it a few times but only because I know amazon's costs and shipping policies are consistent, and they give you enough information up front on the item page to make a fully informed purchase decision. Other ecommerce sites frequently have so many additional/hidden charges that I would never want to click "buy" right from the item page. I abandon so many carts when I get to the checkout page because there's $2…

Or that the item is "digital" and no physical item will be shipped.

I had this happen to me on several Bangladeshi e-commerce websites.

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