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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Lineage OS works very well with the 6P, incidentally.

Lineage OS isn't a substitute for vendor support. Lineage is dependent on vendors for updated drivers and firmware blobs. So if there's a bug in the firmware, like the recent BCM43xx vulnerability, you are still SOL if the particular chip in your device is no longer supported by the vendor.

True, but I could imagine a situation where Lineage could work arond a bug in firmware and protect from it.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Hah, catholic guilt and environmentalism work together so well. yeah, I feel bad for taking a similar lifetime on my phones - I wish there was a company with the kind of reputation for craftsmanship and long-term support that Apple has that would offer stock Google Android devices.

I wish that Google could start supporting that. I am not that convinced that it is in their best interest though .. Last time I got saw numbers on this, non-geeks did not care at all about updates.

I know, but from an environmental perspective it would be nice to be confident that I could get a reasonable 4-year-life out of a new flagship phone, rather than going through rare earths and energy to make disposable 2-year phones.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Arg. I'm actually considering the problem of a secure design that's secure both through being transparently open source, and by using a super-simple architecture. And unfortunately these two properties mean that a) well, everyone has the GDSII, and b) the architecture is super-easy to hack. It makes perfect sense that a fab would need time to mount an attack on a closed and complex design though. Very good point abou…

http://sharps.org/wp-content/uploads/BECKER-CHES.pdf is probably the state of the art here. It's basically undetectable. "Instead of adding additional cir- cuitry to the target design, we insert our hardware Trojans by changing the dopant polarity of existing transistors. Since the modified circuit ap- pears legitimate on all wiring layers (including all metal and polysilicon), our family of Trojans is resistant to m…

* Sound of groaning *

Thanks. But ugh. That is both absolutely amazing and... well, what did I expect. Of course there are going to be process attacks :)

Hmmm. I guess the only defenses against this are

- trying to design the layout to get good "route coverage" via test routines (sounds hard)

- aiming for super-simple designs that make it difficult to constructively alter the design (pathological simplicity is one part of my idea; yet to determine viability)

- trusting the fab (ha!)

I wonder if using a huge process like ~30nm (or even bigger) would mitigate at all.

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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Meh, I bought my first OnePlus phone a few months ago and while the phone itself is great, I've been thoroughly unimpressed with their support and unavailability of most accessories, both from OnePlus and 3rd parties. It's a huge turn off and I won't buy another one.

What kind of support do you need for a smartphone? I've literally never even thought "maybe I should contact support" for a phone problem.

I recently contacted OnePlus support for the first time last month after I dropped my phone and shattered the screen. The whole process was extremely fast and smooth. Quick reply from OnePlus, they organized shipping to my nearest repair center and even the actual repair was quick.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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> Devices shouldn’t become outdated every year. They should evolve with you. Doesn't have a removable battery...so, how exactly is this going to last me any longer than anything else?

Don't know about this phone (we'll have to wait for the teardown), but iPhone batteries are pretty easily replaceable, and you don't need to go to an Apple Store to have them replaced. I run a chain of independent repair shops and we replace iPhone batteries all day long. A press push for environmental reasons has made sure most smartphone batteries aren't glued in. Now MacBooks and Surface Books, on the other hand,…

Good to know! I'll probably go that route in a couple years then rather than buying a new device.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Since no one else has, I'll take the piss out of this "hollier than thou" bullshit. > Devices are your personal property. We won’t force you to have anything you don’t want. Devices are your personal property. The SoC is still a proprietary trade secret, the baseband is still spying on you for the NSA, the GPU is still a closed blob piece of shit. No mainline driver support, bootloader is closed source, firmware is c…

> Devices become outdated because shitty vendors refuse to open source and mainline drivers for their components.

To play the devil's advocate here, you could also blame Linux for not providing a stable driver ABI and instead tries to force all vendors to adapt their coding practices if they want to play along.

Many companies don't want to take the burden to rewrite their code if the Kernel maintainers have a different opinion on how things should be done.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Give me software updates for 7+ years, then we'll talk about buying your $700 phone. Lasting hardware means nothing without lasting software. In the meanwhile, I'll keep buying $120 phones (Moto G4 with Amazon Ads FTW) and keeping them for ~2 years until they break or software updates stop. Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part…

> Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part of the environmental degradation of our planet It's not your Catholicism that makes you feel bad for polluting, it's your humanity. If Pope Francis turned around and said there's no climate change and we should all have tyre bonfires for christmas, would you be on-board with that?

Though you wouldn't know it from observing many Christians, environmental stewardship is a Biblical mandate. Of course, it is possible to have the same conclusion through non-faith means, but that doesn't preclude the ability of a person to derive their view—at least in part—from their religious faith.

Also, despite the Catholic church's hierarchical structure, a large portion of the church does not blindly follow the Pope's every decree. 86 percent of catholics find birth control to be "morally acceptable", according to one survey ( https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/opinion/sunday/frank-brun... ).

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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What do you mean by switchable privacy filter? Something that reduced the viewing angle, perhaps by adjusting the color profile?

There's a physical layer of the screen between the touch glass and the LCD that can be turned on, reducing the viewing angle. Anyone looking from the side will instead see a floral pattern, butterfly pattern, or something else I forget (stars?), depending on your setting. (You can't pick beyond these three because each pattern is physically its own layer it looks like) This is classic Japanese market electronics. Rat…

> There's a physical layer of the screen between the touch glass and the LCD that can be turned on, reducing the viewing angle.

Oh, wow.

> Anyone looking from the side will instead see a floral pattern, butterfly pattern, or something else I forget (stars?), depending on your setting.

Wow.

> (You can't pick beyond these three because each pattern is physically its own layer it looks like)

I see.

> This is classic Japanese market electronics. Rather than increase bottom line, add loads of niceties to compete.

TIL the Japanese are still ahead of us with stuff that's really nice, and the rest of the world succumbed to being flooded out with high-fructose corn syrup laden toy electronics that hack our attention spans.

> My phone was a smartphone, a mobile wallet (osaifu-keitai, tap-to-pay), my train pass (osaifu-keitai is different hardware to android pay, as it works on turnstiles, even when the phone is dead/off, and has been a thing since 2004), a television (over the air!), an answering machine (no messages stored by carrier; the phone picks up if you don't answer and records it to the SD card), had those privacy filter things, and a really responsive camera.

Wow.

I can't find it now but I remember seeing a Japanese phone that had OTA TV, a GPS, and even a fingerprint reader on the back. I checked the date, and the thing was made in 2008. Shakes head

> Sadly, it has a non-replaceable battery and refuses to update android unless it can connect to a docomo tower (I think docomo hosts it's phone's system updates on internal network only, not internet). I had to retire the phone long before the hardware gave out.

Hah.

> I'm pretty much stuck with the phone's stock android because A) It's sharp, so the android hacking community hasn't heard of it. and B) I don't think any ROM would have drivers for any of the galapagos features.

Mmmm...

> (especially I need osaifu-keitai, which as well as being a wallet and my train pass, has all of my arcade top scores associated with it (whenever I go, I just tap the phone and the arcade machine looks me up - unlocks all the bonuses I've achieved and my prefs))

_wow_ that is absolutely awesome.

What's really sad is that if this sort of integration ever came to the US I know it'd be used in the most invasive ways possible :(

I wonder if there are any videos documenting any of this out there. I wouldn't mind seeing this stuff in action, especially the game console bit. That's awesome.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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> Devices shouldn’t become outdated every year. They should evolve with you. Doesn't have a removable battery...so, how exactly is this going to last me any longer than anything else?

Don't know about this phone (we'll have to wait for the teardown), but iPhone batteries are pretty easily replaceable, and you don't need to go to an Apple Store to have them replaced. I run a chain of independent repair shops and we replace iPhone batteries all day long. A press push for environmental reasons has made sure most smartphone batteries aren't glued in. Now MacBooks and Surface Books, on the other hand,…

Extracting them with a torx driver, heat gun, and an hour's labor is not the same as a swappable battery.
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