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Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by fra »

MichaelGG wrote: post #21

I find this odd. One person died at Charlottesville, potentially from an accident. Meanwhile there's been at least one intentional shooting with a higher death toll related to BLM, but there was no widespread "we need to shut this down" backlash there. But all of a sudden some random site writing mostly nonsense is some huge threat that we're gonna put aside neutrality and free speech for?

You have leaders of the alt-right movements - speakers at their events - advocating violence on tape. The BLM leadership on the other hand is strictly anti-violence.

The two are not even close to equivalent.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by MollyR »

jdoliner wrote: post #79
axaxs wrote: post #62

Sorry to comment twice on a thread...but after thinking more, I really feel this is a dangerous precedent. The internet has been largely dominated by a few companies. I'd go as far as to call them nearly ubiquitous. When these companies start pushing political views, and start banning or otherwise blocking dissent, it becomes dangerous. What if, in retaliation, farmers of the Midwest banned shipments to California? S…

> This is how civil wars start This is what civil wars look like. Politicians being shot, people calling for the assassination of a sitting president, public institutions deciding which side they're on.

Are you saying we are in a civil war ? I dont want to believe it, but . .

Republicans were shot at by an alt-left radical. Scalise was in the ICU.

Another alt-left radical Clayton Carter murdered a GOP committee member in front of his wife.

Mainstream Media is completely politicized

An alt-right radical murdered Heather Heyer a protester.

Today a missouri state senator Nadal called for the assasination of a sitting us president. It also trended on twitter. Twitter did nothing.

The only thing that gives me hope of deescalation is both the right and left media is finally denouncing violence on both sides.

CNN pundits and FOX pundits are all denouncing ANTIFA and the alt-left, and the alt-right and racists.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by fra »

Animats wrote: post #42

First they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing because I was not a Nazi. Then they came for the far-right, and I said nothing because I was not a far-righter...

First they came for the murderers, and I said nothing because I was not a murderer. Then they came for the rapists, and I said nothing because I was not a rapist.

... what "they" come for is just as relevant.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by j2kun »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #92

What's amazing is the same people who blog or tweet saying that it is right that these companies ban these organizations based on content are the same people who seem to believe they believe in net neutrality. These people also spend tons of time online tweeting about how some group is acting to get rid of net neutrality. So are you for or against net neutrality? Make up your own mind if you're going to be criticizin…

How are they contradictory? The goal of net neutrality is to have physical internet lines be regulated in the same way that phone lines are: as a part of the communication infrastructure of the country.

Is Google Play a fundamental part of the infrastructure of the country? I wouldn't even call Google search fundamental (or infrastructure at all, for that matter)!

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by MollyR »

faet wrote: post #9
axaxs wrote: post #6

yikes... I'm conflicted. Not a huge fan of Torba, first of all. I checked out Gab a few times, and while I think intentions were good, there is a lot of hateful stuff there. That said, Gab as a platform and app doesn't itself promote hate, so I'm not sure I agree with removing it. That would be like removing Telegram because terrorists have been found to use it.

Much of it depends how public it is. For instance something like whisper needs to remove nudity/hate speech else they'll be kicked off iOS/playstore. But, you can still send it directly without issue.

Even "meme" apps like 9gag ran into the same nudity/censorship issue.

They worked around it, or at least the users did.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by fra »

retox wrote: post #81
jacquesm wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042346

Innocent until proven guilty.

Like many in this thread, you do not understand the difference between constitutional protection from the state and your interaction with private businesses.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by bloobloobloo »

nl wrote: post #90
bloobloobloo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hurrr nazis ps my worldview requires me to remain this uninformed Hey did you hear that 13 people died to a jihadi truck in Barcelona today? How many Muslim websites did Google knock offline in response? Or Cloudflare? How many Muslim accounts did Facebook and Twitter shut down? I'm sure they're all scurrying to do just that, now that The Gloves Are Off in The War on Hate. Let's just wait and see.

ISIS accounts and webpages are aggressively shutdown by Google, Facebook and Twitter. Why would they shutdown Muslim websites and accounts though? Perhaps you are implying they are all terrorists or something?

> Why would they shutdown Muslim websites and accounts though?

That's a good point; one I hadn't thought of.

I hope we can still agree, though, that all people who advocate for white interests are Nazis.

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by axaxs »

j2kun wrote: post #95
axaxs wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

The "second" best time would be the instant following the first best time! :) That leaves a continuum of "next best times" in between the first best time and now that one could have planted a tree.

Haha...the first time I read that proverb I thought the same thing, but I still like the message. I've thought about rewording it a bit like "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The best time to plant a tree is now.". What do you think, too confusing?

Re: Alt-social network Gab booted from Google Play Store for hate speech

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Post by j2kun »

MollyR wrote: post #102
jdoliner wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is how civil wars start This is what civil wars look like. Politicians being shot, people calling for the assassination of a sitting president, public institutions deciding which side they're on.

Are you saying we are in a civil war ? I dont want to believe it, but . . Republicans were shot at by an alt-left radical. Scalise was in the ICU. Another alt-left radical Clayton Carter murdered a GOP committee member in front of his wife. Mainstream Media is completely politicized An alt-right radical murdered Heather Heyer a protester. Today a missouri state senator Nadal called for the assasination of a sitting u…

"Alt-left" is a fabricated term that does not refer to a movement. It creates a false equivalency between white supremacists and people who protest them.
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