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Why I am moving to Cleveland

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Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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That parking lot comment has to be one of the best characterizations of American downtown areas I've heard. Well said.

I'd rather have parking than fighting to find it!

Parking has an opportunity cost.

Parking takes up space and costs money to build, which could have been used for something else. There is always a balance between having parking and having an abundance of bars, restaurants, offices, and living spaces within any given area.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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Everytime I see a "Why I am moving to ____ " or "Why I am leaving ____", I cringe. 9 out of 10 times, it's OP's specific situation that makes sense, but the articles paint a very generalized rosy picture of the destination or a very generalized terrible picture of the current city (ex: "SF Bay Area has gotten so expensive, commute is horrible, everything sucks.... so I'm moving to Austin, tech community is so great..…

Agree, often the remarks are heavily opinionated & biased in favor of their own world view, change perspective a little & the whole set up might look awkward. I've rarely seen a few articles(actually they exist) which talks in terms of data, verifiable facts, empirical evidence, and a forecast based on these.

> I've rarely seen a few articles(actually they exist) which talks in terms of data, verifiable facts, empirical evidence

You will drive yourself nuts trying to understand the essence of a place based on that stuff. It's an extreme example, but can you imagine trying to convey the character of Venice by discussing crime rate, property values, taxes, commute times, and so on?

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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I rode the light rail from east side to downtown every day for two years. It's dirty. West side to downtown may be another story.

I live in UC. I leave from the Little Italy stop. The train is extremely clean. Someone who has also lived in NYC. The trains are magnitudes cleaner in Cle than NYC.

Weird, that's the EXACT one I rode. Plus, the stairway up to the train stand that overlooked those contemporary condo's always smelled like piss 5+ years ago .... NOT CLEAN! Glad they have been cleaned up since.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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I disagree about RTA comment. I take the 55 almost everyday and it is super clean. The city used to be dirty, but has been rejuvenated from public square to the east bank. It's really bike friendly as far as transportation goes as well.

It is definitely more bike friendly than some cities, that's true. Plenty of bike lanes have been added the last few years. Regarding the cleanliness, (parts of) the flats and public square have gotten better but that's only two small areas and is the extent of the cleanup. I drive past the steel yard every day for my commute and you can not have your windows down or let any outside air in all along 77 because the sm…

> I drive past the steel yard every day for my commute and you can not have your windows down or let any outside air in all along 77 because the smell is so disgusting.

You might already know this but you're also driving past a wastewater treatment plant, and through a pretty sparsely populated area. It's not representative of the metropolitan area as a whole.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM Jokes aside, it's odd that OP is lumping Cleveland in with other 'mid-west' cities. They all have their own very different characters. Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh...all very different. Also most of the top 30-40 American cities have similar minimum amenities. A theatre, downtown with restaurants, light rail. I don't think that should surp…

Jokes aside, it's odd that OP is lumping Cleveland in with other 'mid-west' cities. As an outsider (I'm from NC) I have always thought of Cleveland as a "rust belt" city first and foremost. I tend to assume Cleveland has more in common with, say, Pittsburgh, Charleston WV, Detroit, etc., than what I think of as a more stereotypical "mid-west" city like Kansas City, St. Louis, or even Chicago. But of those, Chicago is…

> Is the "rust belt" identify meme a strong factor to locals? More or less so than being considered "mid western"? reply

I imagine the "rust belt" moniker is something people identify with - or reject as being derogatory, which always struck me as funny - more than the "midwestern" label, which people in Cleveland probably regard more as a mere geographical distinction. That's just a guess, though.

I don't think it's odd that the OP was lumping Cleveland in with other midwestern cities, though. I would say that Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh (and why leave out Detroit? or even Buffalo?) all share some DNA in the same way Boston, Philadelphia, New York, and Baltimore do.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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There's one phrase you'd better understand: lake effect snow. On that front Columbus is a much better alternative. That aside, there's a lot to like in this neck of the woods.

Has Columbus got any better in recent years at actually plowing the snow they get? The city used to get genuinely impassible a lot more often than Cleveland, in spite of getting a lot less snow overall.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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I live in UC. I leave from the Little Italy stop. The train is extremely clean. Someone who has also lived in NYC. The trains are magnitudes cleaner in Cle than NYC.

Weird, that's the EXACT one I rode. Plus, the stairway up to the train stand that overlooked those contemporary condo's always smelled like piss 5+ years ago .... NOT CLEAN! Glad they have been cleaned up since.

Pretty sure that station has recently been rebuilt, the one at the foot of Cedar Hill certainly has. The last five years have seen a lot of new buses, as well, although I'm not sure how true that is once you get a little further away from the health-tech corridor and University Circle.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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Weird, that's the EXACT one I rode. Plus, the stairway up to the train stand that overlooked those contemporary condo's always smelled like piss 5+ years ago .... NOT CLEAN! Glad they have been cleaned up since.

Pretty sure that station has recently been rebuilt, the one at the foot of Cedar Hill certainly has. The last five years have seen a lot of new buses, as well, although I'm not sure how true that is once you get a little further away from the health-tech corridor and University Circle.

Little Italy station is brand new. There was one on border of East Cleveland and UC that was very sketchy. It's now gone.

Re: Why I am moving to Cleveland

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I currently live in Cleveland. It's alright, but the author is going to be in for quite a shock regarding >clean, vibrant downtown area, ... good transit (including lightrail), a diverse economy The city is extremely dirty and constantly has a very bad smell, and the RTA (public transit) is a disaster. The direct downtown area is essentially just a massive parking lot. The economy also consists entirely of the Clevel…

I grew up in Springfield, MA — and I was seeing similar red flags reading his post about Cleveland. Springfield also has a very clean heart of downtown, but it's a total ghost town after 5pm and really only has one significantly sized employer (there are also museums and good places to eat in Springfield). "Clean" means nothing for a downtown area. Real estate is also very cheap because no one wants to live there (fe…

Cleveland is by no means a large city, but the Metropolitan population is probably 4-5 times that of Springfield, MA. Also, Cleveland peaked in population 60+ years ago, so the housing stock is relatively old and cheap, and the cultural landmarks are outsized for a city it's size. Like Detroit, the suburbs were more prosperous than the city center, although there is massive resurgence happening downtown with breweries, restaurants, and art galleries popping up everywhere. There are many large, lofty buildings that are incredibly cheap (like Chicago's West Loop 30 years ago). Overall it seems like a turnaround story similar to Pittsburgh and Detroit.
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