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Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by tadfisher »

If you want to do Kanban right, double down on making it possible to design actual Kanban workflows. Pretty ticket UI with checklists and GIFs must be secondary to this goal.

Things that most actual Kanban flows have that no one has built into a decent product[0]:

    - Nested columns in lanes
    - Rows for class-of-service
    - WIP limits (per lane, per column, and per class-of-service)
    - Sub-boards for meta issues
The actual content of each work item is the least important part of Kanban; it could be a hyperlink for all I care. Kanban is about managing the flow, not managing the work.

[0] Please prove me wrong if there is such a product out there!

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by diafygi »

thinbeige wrote: post #10
xj9 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.

Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.

Well...yeah. Trello is free, and the expectation is that if you're not paying, you're the product.

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

#13

Post by Nullabillity »

thinbeige wrote: post #10
xj9 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.

Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.

Integrations with third-party stuff perhaps? Plus Wekan's slight differences seem like improvements to me.

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by thinbeige »

Numberwang wrote: post #9
thinbeige wrote: post #7

Trello got so mature, has a great API, is well integrated with Zapier and hundreds of other services AND is free (I still don't know why one should get into the paid plan, even witn bigger teams, the free version is torally fine) that it must be super hard for any clone or competitor to win users.

Trello has been super stagnant for years. It's a dying product. No swim-lanes, no nested boards, No proper time-stamps. All basic features on several of the competitors.

Dying product? This sounds like blatant propaganda sorry.

Most of the so called clones don't even have basic stuff like using Command-v to paste pictures right from the clipboard directly into some card and you tell us Trello is dying?

Trello is UI-wise the best kanban thing by far. All clones might look like Trello but their usability has so many glitches and is always inferior.

Besides, nobody needs nested boards, just make another board. Moreover, it is common that after a while a board should get archived and a new one should be created instead. Otherwise it gets too messy and I don't want to imagine how 'nested boards' look.

Edit: thanks for the downvotes, would love to hear your opinions instead

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by xj9 »

thinbeige wrote: post #10
xj9 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.

Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.

who said anything about confidentiality? i'm talking about long-term viability. if i self-host, i don't have to worry about Trello's business model or changes to the product that i don't like/want. i have control. which is whole point.

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by nulagrithom »

Numberwang wrote: post #9
thinbeige wrote: post #7

Trello got so mature, has a great API, is well integrated with Zapier and hundreds of other services AND is free (I still don't know why one should get into the paid plan, even witn bigger teams, the free version is torally fine) that it must be super hard for any clone or competitor to win users.

Trello has been super stagnant for years. It's a dying product. No swim-lanes, no nested boards, No proper time-stamps. All basic features on several of the competitors.

Also recently bought by Atlassian.

Not sure about the other stuff, I love Trello, but that purchase gave me pause.

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by mbreese »

thinbeige wrote: post #10
xj9 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.

Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.

There are legitimate reasons for wanting/needing to self-host. For example, in a regulatory environment, I could see managing PHI data (not for clinical treatment, but maybe tracking clinical research). In this case, Trello would either need to sign a BAA or you'd need to self host something.

There are many reasons why self-hosting is the only viable option for some use-cases.

And then there are also data longevity issues, where you'd need the ability to backup and restore your data. If Trello goes away (as a free service), then you have fewer options in the regard.

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

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Post by pvarangot »

thinbeige wrote: post #10
xj9 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it isn't free/libre software it doesn't really exist since i cannot self-host or modify the software to suit my needs. trello is a nice prototype tho.

Why do you want to selfhost Trello? Are you afraid that somebody at Trello might steal your secret cards, todos, specs, etc. and sells them? I know self hosting is actually better but it is also work and is the typical information which people put on Trello confidential enough to justify self hosting? IDK and again Trello is free.

For some projects you need to self host because of the US protectionist and paranoid export laws for tech. Specially in aerospace, nuclear, some type of sensors, etc...

That or you need a contract that guarantees that the software is hosted outside the US, which Trello won't provide.

Re: Wekan: An open-source Trello-like kanban

#19

Post by kitotik »

tadfisher wrote: post #11

If you want to do Kanban right, double down on making it possible to design actual Kanban workflows. Pretty ticket UI with checklists and GIFs must be secondary to this goal. Things that most actual Kanban flows have that no one has built into a decent product[0]: - Nested columns in lanes - Rows for class-of-service - WIP limits (per lane, per column, and per class-of-service) - Sub-boards for meta issues The actual…

A million upvotes if I could.

It’s always surprising to me how many “lean” and “agile” productivity tools completely focus on the artifacts and seem to have skipped the core concepts entirely.

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