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ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

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Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#81
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right wing extremists are responsible for more terrorist attacks on US soil than any other group.

Source?

I don't know what his source was, but Googling "right wing terrorism" turns up this Politifact article [1], which cites this GAO report to Congress [2].

[1] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/...

[2] http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#82
post #20

A slightly bit off topic, but as a European I would love to hear some intelligent, well thought, non provoking theories on why is America going through so much turmoil and polarization the last few years. Or has it always been like this?

Far too many factors playing together, really.

Failure of the war in the Middle East? Economic hollowing out of rural/middle America? Property prices? Russian influence? Far-right propaganda media organisations?

Some of today's issues are simply re-opening of issues that were never really properly settled at the civil war. Black people have never really been given the same level of equality and freedom that nonblack people have in America, and every generation has a go at doing something about it.

One of my childhood memories is (from the UK) watching a burning city on TV with the sound off, assuming it somewhere in the middle east, and later getting home and discovering that it was Los Angeles. Rodney King riots.

Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#83
post #78

"White Supremacist Violence..." Obviously by definition. But this just begs the more important question: Does ACLU still believe speech by white supremacists should be permitted? I've heard a saying along the lines of: your rights only as good as you permit your worst enemy.

http://begthequestion.info/

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question:

In modern vernacular usage, "to beg the question" frequently appears to mean "to raise the question" (as in, "This begs the question, whether...") or "to dodge a question"

Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#87

A legal analysis by First Amendment scholar Eugene Volokh, as well as a (vacuous) response by the ACLU: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

quite absurd. ill be forgoing my next few donations. (sad that i have to qualify this but i hate nazi's and am not even white)

Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#88
This seems like a non-statement. It's obvious that violence isn't protected under freedom of speech. There are no arguments on that point.

> If white supremacists march into our towns armed to the teeth and with the intent to harm people, they are not engaging in activity protected by the United States Constitution.

Why even add "white supremacists" to that statement? It would be true of any group. You could replace "white supremacists" with "Underpants Gnomes" and this would still be true.

Crack some skulls

???

Profit!

> The First Amendment should never be used as a shield or sword to justify violence.

Does "shield" in this case refer to the protesters who were resisting the Unite the Right rally?

Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#89
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Antifa in the US is the similar to the ones in Sweden they will be initiating violence at protests like this. They are usually very prepared and have a lot of experience how to do it. Using violence to fight fascism is what they do even though they usually use non lethal methods. In Sweden they consist of small autonomous groups that harass nazi sympathizer by vandalizing their homes, putting their address on the…

I don't understand fighting fascism with fascism.

red shirts vs brown shirts =( and the rest of us get shafted

Re: ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech

#90
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post doesn't blacklist any specific organizations, but rather any case that involve violence. The ACLU will likely continue[1] to defend peaceful white supremacists. The ban will go for any situation or organization that involves violence. As for Antifa, I've been unable to find any videos/pictures/unbiased reports that Antifa started any of the violence this past weekend. I don't understand the need to equate t…

> If the KKK didn't exist, Antifa wouldn't exist. If Antifa didn't exist, the KKK still would. Not true. Antifa aren't just anti-racist protestors, they're a loose collection of Communist and Anarcho-communist groups. If fascism never existed those groups just rally under a different name.

The spectrum of Antifa is very wide, not just Communists. The only thing common about the various groups that make up Antifa is that we hate Nazis and other racist/fascist ideology and their supporters. Some of us promote and use violence to protect society from them, some of us do not.
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