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Why We Terminated Daily Stormer
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#222>“This was my decision. This is not Cloudflare’s general policy now, going forward,” Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince told Gizmodo. “I think we have to have a conversation over what part of the infrastructure stack is right to police content.” (from internal email) >Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning i…
It's so bizarre. He tries to have it both ways. He says "no one should have that power", but then says he did it literally earlier that day. He says CloudFlare isn't changing their "content-neutral" policy... but clearly they did change that policy. I have many reasons to oppose nazis, including incredibly personal ones. That said, I think crossing this content line for an infrastructure company is a big deal, and I…
I would want them to do this to ISIS and other terrorists.
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#223I'm not a fan of cloudflare, I think the net would be better without them. That said I think this was the right call to make. Being the CEO of a company carries with it the weight of having the ultimate responsibility for each and every action of the company and to be an unwilling vehicle for the Neo Nazi movement is something that no company should want to aspire to.
Where I have a problem is that ostensibly this did not happen because the CEO grew a conscience and a backbone (how about those booter and malware sites then?), but because the Neo Nazi's claimed that Cloudflare was secretly in league with them. If that was the real reason then the whole thing sounds hollow and more as an attempt at damage control than a case of a moral line being crossed.
Anyway, from a strictly technical point of view Cloudflare is absolutely optional so no harm done, without the cloak of Cloudflare to protect it the Daily Stormer will have to go through life now as the Daily Naked Stormer.
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#224>“This was my decision. This is not Cloudflare’s general policy now, going forward,” Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince told Gizmodo. “I think we have to have a conversation over what part of the infrastructure stack is right to police content.” (from internal email) >Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning i…
I find it incredible that so many people here do not realize what inventing and enforcing a new, arbitrary hate speech category will enable politically over time. While simultaneously they're terrified of Trump, they're extremely eager to intentionally give him extraordinary new powers of speech control.
Or is the plan to only give those speech control powers to politicians & authorities one agrees with? It's like all sanity and reasoning has left the building.
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#225Prince spoke at Blackhat in Vegas... several years ago. The video is on Youtube. He not only said a terrorist is someones 'freedom fighter' but he pretty much excused child pornography. It wasn't as clear as the terrorist content but when you hear and see it, you'll want to curb stomp the midget.
He's a coward and weasel whose word means nothing. This site was distasteful but it wasn't illegal. There's thosuands upon thousands of site which are and he does nothing about it.
Now we have wrong think. You don't like the politics? Ok, but if you believe in free speech, it's what needs to be defended. So it's censorship by a guy who defends terorrists and seems to be ok with child abuse.
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#226I get the whole "companies can choose not to host whatever they want" argument, but in order to do anything on the internet, you have to interact with companies. If I want to run my own website, I need an IP address at the minimum, and ISPs are free to cut off my internet service if they don't like what I'm hosting. In a public setting, if people don't like what I'm saying, they can't force me to be quiet (generally)…
No one who supports Trump or Daily Stormer are likely not applying nearly as much inductive reasoning to their decisions as you are in this comment.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gee, I hope my site doesn't happen to anger him in some way.
There are few things worse than nazis. Just make sure your content is better than fascist propaganda and you should be good.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gee, I hope my site doesn't happen to anger him in some way.
There are few things worse than nazis. Just make sure your content is better than fascist propaganda and you should be good.
Actually there's lots and Prince allows all of it. If you want to be good you need to look at other companies.
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#229There is some monkey-business here. Anyone knows why a PR company hired "protesters" to the event in the first place? (and why HN tries to hide this link when posted as submission?) https://charlotte.craigslist.org/tfr/d/actors-and-photograph...
Did something happen in Charlotte I didn't hear about?
I'm not sure - the ad is supposedly from last week. I just thought I ask if anyone new something about this. The PR company seem legit (in the sense it actually exist).
It raises a few questions if related to what happened though.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: where's the line? The government shouldn't be censoring. I don't allow white nationalists into my house. At what point does "I" represent something too big for me to no longer have the moral privilege to refuse to collaborate with white nationalists?
Maybe when you get in the business of providing speech as a service. For example, imagine you went into the wedding cake business, and someone came in and wanted you to make a gay wedding cake (note: not a wedding cake for gay people, but a wedding cake that normalized gay marriage). Now imagine you're a very old-school traditionalist about that sort of thing. Should you be compelled to make that cake with two women…
> Given that the Supreme Court has already decided that "wedding cake makers" are part of critical speech infrastructure
They have? Source? And what's "critical speech infrastructure"?