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DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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post #79

The alt-left are dangerous but Dreamhost should resist until all legal channels are exhausted. Checks and balances!

I believe the term used is ctrl-left and alt-right.

"Alt-left" is being used now because Trump said it in his press conference yesterday.

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#102
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the physical world, the government can search only one apartment in an apartment building with a single warrant; it can’t search the entire apartment building. Are the collective records of a website more like an apartment building or a single apartment? If this is the reasoning they're going then yes, Dreamhost is out of luck. One account is pretty obviously an apartment on a server (building) with the website be…

Context can be important, too. Perhaps the website is the "apartment building" and the accounts on the website are the apartments. In that case, not so obvious.

Given the political-speech context, apartments in an apartment building are less apt than offices in a political party's building. If someone commits fraud or corrupt acts from e.g. the DNC's office, the DoJ doesn't get to collect everything at that building.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#103
post #55
post #41

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This comment basically ensures that it will be difficult to really discuss what's going on with Dreamhost and the DOJ, and that we'll all instead have to grapple with some other issue you prefer. That's not a polite thing to do to an HN thread.

Pretty shocking that someone who, I guess, wants private corporations to be forced to give Nazis a platform would be impolite?

You want me to hold back objective thought because you find it impolite?

In that case, You don't understand the spirit of HN.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#104

The alt-left are dangerous but Dreamhost should resist until all legal channels are exhausted. Checks and balances!

What alt-left? Are you referring to community defense groups trying to protect their communities from Nazis? Dangerous to whom?

I believe its a new term for what used to be called the radical left. There is evidence they go beyond attacking nazi's, to attacking journalists or just people who "look" like nazis.

Antifa is a good example with their huge riots and firebombing of cars during Trump's inauguration.

The son of Israel's PM considers them a bigger threat to the jewish people than actual neo-nazis (surprising to me). http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-junior-says-leftists-...

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#105
post #66

Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

Correct. Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-... The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

Be careful what you read on the internet. A lot of what I have seen is made to intentionally deceive. For example: http://www.snopes.com/antifa-member-photographed-beating-pol...

There are enough nutjobs on both sides without making them up.

Not defending violence in any form.

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#106
post #88

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> It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being > executed against an organization exercising political > speech. Why? If you hurt me (many innocent people were hurt), but you do it because you feel "political", it's OK? Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card?

> Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card? Yes, core political speech is Constitutionally protected [1]. You can charge people being violent while protecting their rights to say stupid things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_Unite... Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

Free speech protection in American law is with its limits. Speech itself isn't protected if it is directed to incite or produce imminent lawless action. See Brandenburg v. Ohio.

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#107
post #87

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And the alt-right is getting dumber. Seriously, "bigleaguepolitics.com"? Are you going to peddle Seth Rich conspiracy theories now too? Because that's also on their front page.

Like I said, I just searched on twitter for the knife attack and clicked the first link. Disregard the source. Was this man not knifed?

We don't know. Just because some guy posts a picture of a knife wound and claims to have been jumped, that doesn't mean anything. You may recall: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Todd_mugging_hoax

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#108
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the alt-right is getting dumber. Seriously, "bigleaguepolitics.com"? Are you going to peddle Seth Rich conspiracy theories now too? Because that's also on their front page.

Like I said, I just searched on twitter for the knife attack and clicked the first link. Disregard the source. Was this man not knifed?

Quite possibly "not"?

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS753US753&q=sam...

I find it ... odd that not one mainstream media source is in the results there.

For a stabbing...

Not even a local paper.

Not even Fox News.

Just Infowars, Breitbart, AboveTopSecret, all right wing and/or conspiracy sites.

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#109
post #45

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I wonder where we draw the line, particularly with ubiquitous companies like Google, Facebook, and ISPs. Would you be ok if Comcast decided to disallow you from accessing sites they determine are offensive? Or filesharing? Or porn? Even if it is their right to do so, it'd make me uncomfortable.

No one has a problem when they remove sites affiliated with ISIS but apparently Nazis should be given a pass because "free speech". Uh huh.....

How many people have been killed by far right terrorism? Exactly.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#110

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Correct. Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-... The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

Don't refer to these morons committing violent acts in the name of protest as "alt-left." It does nothing but legitimize them, much as the moniker "alt-right" legitimizes white supremacists. There is a time and a place for violent protest/revolution, but we're nowhere near there yet.

   > much as the moniker "alt-right" legitimizes white 
   > supremacists.
Actually, alt-right was coined as a term to differentiate people who adhere to the traditional republican/libertarian views about personal liberty and small government from the neo-conservatives such as Romney, McCain, Graham, and others who push so strongly for nation-building and big government.

The collection of people that are drawn to the ideal of small-government and liberty is larger than the subset you describe.

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