DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just like DreamHost resisting the DOJ request

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by dsfyu404ed » Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 7:36 PM UTC

Why is a political organization retaining any info that isn't the minimum to do their job?

It's not like both sides haven't been trying to get their enemies membership lists for the past 100+yr.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by wildmusings » Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 7:37 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #5

Why is a political organization retaining any info that isn't the minimum to do their job? It's not like both sides haven't been trying to get their enemies membership lists for the past 100+yr.

Party registration is a matter of public record in almost every state in the US. Though that is admittedly different than a smaller group of people who participated in a particular riot.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by whateveracct » Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 7:38 PM UTC

mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

> On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it.

Google and GoDaddy are not beholden to the constitution and are well within their rights to reject the Daily Stormer. White supremacy isn't a suspect class. It's perfectly legal for a business to discriminate against such views.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by Stefan-H » Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 7:39 PM UTC

mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

And Google and Go-Daddy have a right to deny service to anyone they like. The constitution only protects individuals from the government infringing on their right to free speech.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by jmcdiesel » Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

They have a constitutional right to say whatever they want without punishment by the government. Thats where that right ends.

The constitution has no power in the private sector, its an agreement from the government. If a dns provider doesn't want to take money from a hate group and support them by providing them with visibility, why should they be forced to? Its a private company. Now, if the US government was a domain registrar, the constitution may apply, but even then hate speech is a gray area and is easily worked around.