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I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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I have tons of books from 1990-2002. I have to recover those CDs that came with magazines, those CDs have mirrored websites, almost entirely.

Just in case there is an interesting resource here:

http://cd.textfiles.com/

they are essentially "shareware" CD's of the early '90's, but some are more or less "snapshots" of what was available on the web, check this one as an example:

The Internet Info CDROM

From Walnut Creek (July 1994)

http://cd.textfiles.com/internetinfo

http://cd.textfiles.com/internetinfo/index.txt

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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This. I'm really excited about projects like IPFS but I'm not totally comfortable with the "everything persists forever" philosophy as it stands now. Preventing link rot is a very worthwhile cause, but content creators should have control over what persists and for how long (see: "Right to Be Forgotten").

> content creators should have control over what persists and for how long (see: "Right to Be Forgotten"). Strange idea. The "Right to Be Forgotten" in EU law refers to personal data not to works that you have published, it is about privacy not copyright. See the Commision's factsheet on the subject: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/factsheets...

True, it's not exactly the same thing. But I think there is room for a conversation about "published" content as well. The internet covers a much broader scope of content than say print media. I think it is interesting to consider what should be considered "published works" online. Some people think it's fair to say anything you put online is fair game to persist forever. Others like myself think maybe we need a bit more of a fine-grained definition of what constitutes "works" and what persistence properties they should have

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Is it richer and deeper now? Maybe at the fringes, but I feel that the internet today, with my emphasis being on the "inter" (different) "net" (networks) part of it, is far less deeper or richer than before. What we basically have reduced to are a bunch of siloed netowrks such as Facebook. When I searched for something when Google first came out I got a mix of results from a variety of sites I had never heard about.…

I'm beginning to think that there is a niche for a peculiar kind of a search engine. A search engine for static almost-none to none JavaScript pages. It would penalize pages for ad-network usage. I would really like to not have in search results most sites that try to monetize on my attention. I want raw facts and opinions. No click-bait to grab my attention or feed my internal cave man with rage. No ad-networks or d…

I would love this

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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post #151

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I'm beginning to think that there is a niche for a peculiar kind of a search engine. A search engine for static almost-none to none JavaScript pages. It would penalize pages for ad-network usage. I would really like to not have in search results most sites that try to monetize on my attention. I want raw facts and opinions. No click-bait to grab my attention or feed my internal cave man with rage. No ad-networks or d…

I had that feeling of discovering Internet again when I used tor and surfed hidden websites for the first time and read beginner's wikis, opinions pieces such as The Matrix, etc.

I am not interested in most of the "deep web" but what you say sounds interesting. Could you please provide link to that Matrix thing? And other pieces you found interesting?

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Is it richer and deeper now? Maybe at the fringes, but I feel that the internet today, with my emphasis being on the "inter" (different) "net" (networks) part of it, is far less deeper or richer than before. What we basically have reduced to are a bunch of siloed netowrks such as Facebook. When I searched for something when Google first came out I got a mix of results from a variety of sites I had never heard about.…

When I searched for something when Google first came out I got a mix of results from a variety of sites I had never heard about. Today it's basically Wikipedia at the top, with results from the same list of about 3-4 sites depending on the topic of what I searched for. ...and if you actually try to search for more obscure/"fringe" subjects/phrases with Google, you either get no results (despite knowing that there are…

Could you give a few examples of these queries?

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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another reason to use archive.is

Considering the topic of discussion, how sure can you be that archive.is will still be around in a year? Three years? Ten? As much as I tried, all I could find about it is that it's run by one guy in Czech Republic who's paying $2000/month out of pocket for hosting, and apparently dislikes Finland.

I think http://www.webcitation.org/ might be better in that regard since it's a consortium of "editors, publishers, libraries". See "How can I be assured that archived material remains accessible and that webcitation.org doesn't disappear in the future?" in their FAQ (http://www.webcitation.org/faq). Although from my perspective it seems to be more geared towards academic use.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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> It lacks animated .gifs for sure Um excuse me what do you call this masterpiece https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Ellipses...

Doesn't count unless it's a spooky skull. https://media3.giphy.com/media/6SPkShZNS9Uqs/giphy.gif

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Articula...

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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> It's impossible to produce that content because the culture was very different. What? It's not at all impossible. Get a server, put whatever you want on it. No one is going to force you to monetize or market anything, or use a Node.js backend with AWS and React, or whatever the kids are doing these days. Basic HTML in a plain text editor still works just fine.

> What? It's not at all impossible. Get a server, put whatever you want on it. Not in Germany. There is a set of laws called "Impressumspflicht" ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressumspflicht ) which forces you to add a mandatory imprint on your website. If you do something wrong or forget to include some mandatory information (what is mandatory also depends on the kind of website), you can easily get sued (and th…

The context of this conversation seems to have more to do with code and complexity than legal necessities but point taken. The parent was suggesting it was impossible to create the sort of simple, personal, just for fun sites that people used to, but there's no technical reason for that to be the case.

It just happens that people add unnecessary complexity to their projects nowadays because 1) they use frameworks and tools that facilitate it and 2) it looks better on their resumes.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Is it richer and deeper now? Maybe at the fringes, but I feel that the internet today, with my emphasis being on the "inter" (different) "net" (networks) part of it, is far less deeper or richer than before. What we basically have reduced to are a bunch of siloed netowrks such as Facebook. When I searched for something when Google first came out I got a mix of results from a variety of sites I had never heard about.…

When I searched for something when Google first came out I got a mix of results from a variety of sites I had never heard about. Today it's basically Wikipedia at the top, with results from the same list of about 3-4 sites depending on the topic of what I searched for. ...and if you actually try to search for more obscure/"fringe" subjects/phrases with Google, you either get no results (despite knowing that there are…

I've sort of had this same experience myself. The quality of links for obscure topics is nowhere near as good as it used to be. It's harder and harder to find the topics I know exist, sometimes they're buried under lots of irrelevant results, or results I know about aren't there at all. I've not experienced the 'bot' throttling to my knowledge, but it certainly feels like they're trying to do some kind of language translation for me when I want explicit results. I'm not convinced Advanced search isn't doing similar translations either
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