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Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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They have fallen a long way since Adnan ran the site...

Adnan is the guy who may or may not have killed his girlfriend in the 90's. You are thinking Anand. As in AnandTech. And even without Mr. Shimpi AnandTech is still one of the best sources for in-depth reviews of hardware.

I didn't realize he wasn't still running things. When did that happen?

I hope he made some good money.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…

I'm not sure this should be discussed in this thread. Also, I don't know of any alternative that doesn't have large unauditable blobs integrated into the chip. All ARM SoCs come with radio processors that are running a non-trivial piece of software with full access to the system memory, which is responsible for power management, boot sequence and wireless communications. It is by definition network connected. AMD has…

> All ARM SoCs come with radio processors that are running a non-trivial piece of software with full access to the system memory, which is responsible for power management, boot sequence and wireless communications. It is by definition network connected.

The high-end ones used for flagship smartphones/tablets do, but low-end ones used in cheaper tablets/TV boxes and more specialized hardware often don't have any radio interface.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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As a consumer, it's great to see competition picking up in the CPU market. Intel does not seem to be able to hold the edge in node process as tsmc and Samsung are matching intel. It has to resort to architecture design.

Ice Lake has been delayed from 2017 to 2018, so I'm not sure what competition has to do with it.

We never had a date for Ice Lake. I think we only started hearing about it this year.

It's Cannon Lake (Intel's first 10nm chip) which is supposed to come out this year.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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In retrospective, Intel should have bought NVidia when they had the chance; GPUs is the only area making huge progress year to year now.

Even better course of action would be AMD merging with Nv instead of ATI.

They couldn't, their logo colors doesn't match.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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The Osborne effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect Although it has been deliberately deployed many times now, as you note one example of.

Most people buying a laptop don't really care or know what generation of the CPU they have. Not convinced it hugely impacts sales

It's the bulk enterprise purchases that they're worried about, not individuals. That may include bulk purchases to build laptops, but it's probably more datacenters and high-performance computing they're worried about.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Well actually I think it's more a case of "increase in performance is becoming harder and harder, the technology leader (Intel) is slowly becoming stuck and the competition (AMD) is catching up". Everybody will be more or less at the same level as it requires huge investments to only get a marginal advantage. Apart from games, I would not be that afraid to install recent pieces of software (browser, office suit, os)…

Gains in instructions-per-clock start to flatten out. And that's where the gains were coming from in the last years. Some time ago a paper was posted here that showed how even if you have an infinite amount of transistors, you will still be limited in the range of 3-10 instructions-per-clock for typical programs. Clock speeds seem to have leveled and IPC will only see another gain of 50-100%. Single threaded performa…

Isn't this an even further argument for cloud computing? If cost savings all come from having more cores at the same price, but end user devices can't put all those cores to work, having more of the compute intensive work happen on the back end amortized over many end users seems like the only way to benefit from improvements in cores per chip.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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Gains in instructions-per-clock start to flatten out. And that's where the gains were coming from in the last years. Some time ago a paper was posted here that showed how even if you have an infinite amount of transistors, you will still be limited in the range of 3-10 instructions-per-clock for typical programs. Clock speeds seem to have leveled and IPC will only see another gain of 50-100%. Single threaded performa…

GPUs: http://michaelgalloy.com/2013/06/11/cpu-vs-gpu-performance.h... http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/... This is behind much of the interest in machine learning these days. Deep learning provides a way to approximate any computable function as the composition of matrix operations with non-linearities. It does this at the cost of requiring many, many times the computing power. But much of…

"Deep learning provides a way to approximate any computable function as the composition of matrix operations with non-linearities."

Thanks, and I wish this sentence was one of the first things I read when I was trying to figure out exactly what Deep Learning really meant. It's much more comprehensible than the semi-magical descriptions that seem far more prevalent in introductory articles.

It's also fascinating that a seemingly simple computing paradigm is so powerful, kind of like a new Turing Machine paradigm.

Re: Intel Reveals Post-8th Gen. Core Architecture 10nm+ Ice Lake

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I wonder if this one will come with free backdoors and spyware installed, thanks to the wonderful Intel Management Engine (Intel ME) backdoor. [1][2][3] Intel (and AMT) keep pushing more and more proprietary code that can not be read, changed or removed. No one knows exactly what it does and it has built in screen and key recording. It's my advice and the advice of privacy advocates that no one should purchase or use…

If CPU backdoors exist how has nobody logged network traffic required to abuse them?
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