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Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by mongmong »

koonsolo wrote: post #99
Xeoncross wrote: post #6

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> Last ditch effort was an experimental drug... he's the only one alive I assume it wasn't the drug then but some other factor that was either missed or underestimated in his actual recovery. Wish more of these missing-pieces were known.

I might get downvoted for this, so please do your own research first before just dismissing it. There is this cheap thing of Vitamin C injections staight into the blood. A cure that has been "well known" for centuries, but dismissed because oral intake studies weren't promising. I love science, but in studies where a lot of money is made or can be lost, there is so much manipulation going on it makes you sick. I'm ta…

My mother died of kidney cancer last year. Doctor said unfortunately modern medicine had nothing to offer her.

She turned to alternatives, tried everything from vegan diet to juicing to vitamin c (intravenous twice a week over 6 months). No salt diet. Stone heat mattress. Hydrogen rich water. She exercised daily getting as much sun because someone told her that's good.

That didn't stop the metastasis spreading all over her body. She passed away 8 months after her diagnosis, coincidentally exactly what the doctor guessed when pressed for her honest prognosis.

You accuse the pharma industry of preying on the desperate for money, but in my experience it was the opposite. Pharma told her sorry nothing we can do. In desperation she turned to alternatives. I was willing to believe anything if it cured my mum.

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by arkh »

Mz wrote: post #37
soft_serve wrote: post #24

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Oh we know why! It's just not acceptable to talk about it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3311490/ Asking people to take responsibility for this one simple thing is taboo. (I have a Colonoscopy just last week as part of a routine exam at my age. The procedure really isn't that bad. A couple hours on the toilet during the prep, and that's about the worst of it).

Obesity is merely one factor. I have read a number of articles on this and even written at least one (I get paid to ghost write health articles). My understanding is, no, they don't really know why. Furthermore, how to not be obese is not really a solved problem. Suggesting that fat people are merely irresponsible is pretty lousy. Most fat people have tried to lose the weight. Some have tried incredibly hard and done…

"Furthermore, how to not be obese is not really a solved problem."

Make your body absorb less calories than it uses. The simplest (not easiest) way is then to eat less. Most people who have "tried to lose weight" but did not manage it just tried lightly. They tried every new miracle weight loss program thinking 50lb could be lost fast before summer.

The thing is there are no miracle cure: you have to learn what has plenty of calories and eat or drink less of it. You have to learn to say no to food. You have to learn that throwing excess food is ok once you're done eating (which is the main problem for people coming from low income environment I think). For people who eat as a way to curb their depression, you also have to work on this illness if you want them to lose weight. You may also have to cut contact with family or friend who will sabotage you (crab in a bucket mentality).

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by coldtea »

koonsolo wrote: post #103
davymac wrote: post #102

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Let me be your quack susceptibilibuddy: http://www.quackwatch.org The "Vitamin C cure" has been soundly debunked.

Again, they talk about oral intake, not about injections.

Unless you have any reason to suspect the delivery mechanism affects anything significant, this is exactly the same...

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by coldtea »

koonsolo wrote: post #108
DrScump wrote: post #105

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A cure that has been "well known" for centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Discovery

Damn, I meant decades... oops. I was actually referring to the 70's. But back then they did the oral studies instead of the injection ones. But injections are also not that new.

>But back then they did the oral studies instead of the injection ones.

So? Who said oral vs injection would have much different effects?

Besides both have been studied:

http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/20/2/210

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by koonsolo »

coldtea wrote: post #113
koonsolo wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, they talk about oral intake, not about injections.

Unless you have any reason to suspect the delivery mechanism affects anything significant, this is exactly the same...

In this case, the vitamin C amounts need to be really high. Your body can't handle those amounts from oral intake.

Listen, you don't have to take my word for it. Just look up the little research that is done on it, and make sure you make a distinction between oral intake and injections.

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by bnjms »

flunhat wrote: post #43
toomuchtodo wrote: post #42

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Diets high in sugars? I wonder if we can plot the consumption of sugar and corn syrup on a trend of colon cancer incidents over the last 4-5 decades. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9298574/

You could argue that high sugar diets are just a proxy for obesity, so if obesity has been ruled out as a cause for this new increase then high sugar diets can be ruled out as well. Plus, no real reason it would be confined to young white people only. But I still avoid the stuff, because it seems so unlikely that the quantity of sugar we consume is just harmless.

I dont think you can make that assimption at all. A lot of is have conditions or habits that result in modifying our eating habits and movement habits enough to always be thin even with high carb diets.

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by koonsolo »

coldtea wrote: post #114
koonsolo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, I meant decades... oops. I was actually referring to the 70's. But back then they did the oral studies instead of the injection ones. But injections are also not that new.

> But back then they did the oral studies instead of the injection ones. So? Who said oral vs injection would have much different effects? Besides both have been studied: http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/20/2/210

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0054448/

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by koonsolo »

mongmong wrote: post #111
koonsolo wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might get downvoted for this, so please do your own research first before just dismissing it. There is this cheap thing of Vitamin C injections staight into the blood. A cure that has been "well known" for centuries, but dismissed because oral intake studies weren't promising. I love science, but in studies where a lot of money is made or can be lost, there is so much manipulation going on it makes you sick. I'm ta…

My mother died of kidney cancer last year. Doctor said unfortunately modern medicine had nothing to offer her. She turned to alternatives, tried everything from vegan diet to juicing to vitamin c (intravenous twice a week over 6 months). No salt diet. Stone heat mattress. Hydrogen rich water. She exercised daily getting as much sun because someone told her that's good. That didn't stop the metastasis spreading all ov…

Hey, sorry to hear that. It is a nasty disease. I also have people close to me who died of cancer, including a 17 year old girl, and my friend who was 20 at the time.

But it upsets me that so little research is done on high doses of vitamin C, while the research that is done is actually positive.

Re: I’m 35 and I may suddenly have lost the rest of my life

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

koonsolo wrote: post #99
Xeoncross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Last ditch effort was an experimental drug... he's the only one alive I assume it wasn't the drug then but some other factor that was either missed or underestimated in his actual recovery. Wish more of these missing-pieces were known.

I might get downvoted for this, so please do your own research first before just dismissing it. There is this cheap thing of Vitamin C injections staight into the blood. A cure that has been "well known" for centuries, but dismissed because oral intake studies weren't promising. I love science, but in studies where a lot of money is made or can be lost, there is so much manipulation going on it makes you sick. I'm ta…

Loads of money are made with chemo and cancer research. If Vitamin C injections really are better way to treat cancer, can you imagine how many billions will be lost?

Do you think they are so stupid that they'd not immediately funnel the money into researching other diseases that aren't cancer? Or that this one thing is somehow a cure-all for all cancers? What do you think vaccines that prevent infections that can lead to cancer? Shouldn't they, theoretically, be losing money developing such things? Wouldn't the drug companies be able to better sell their drugs by advertising they were the company that beat cancer? Furthermore, wouldn't that also make all the governments that have taxpayer-funded health care stupid or part of the conspiracy as well? Why would a country like Norway pay for chemo if a simple vitamin proved to actually work?

I very highly doubt those sorts of claims, plus any that claim to have a "wonder drug" for cancer. Cancers seem to vary widely and have a variety of initial causes, after all, and some of the most promising developments seem to be tailored to either the individual or the type of cancer (HPV vaccines, for example, among others).

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