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Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by foxh0und »

dsmithatx wrote: post #44
myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

I worked with one of the largest ad publishing companies. They wanted to track data about every client served an ad. This generated over 1.2 Terabyte per hour of data when the MySQL master started to max out. We had the largest possible multiple core system. It was going to cost my client $30k to upgrade to SSD drives to get more out of MySQL. Also note we had to store this data on an expensive SAN in order to feed t…

Was $30k a lot of money for one of the largest add publishers?

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by abrookewood »

Salgat wrote: post #57
jaequery wrote: post #50

think it is a bad fit and a bad time for an IPO, their market just isnt big enough and their losing a lot of steam as of late. most importantly in terms of numbers, there is nothing going for them. they arent exactly redhat level in terms of support, nor rackspace level for subscriptions, and nor snapchat level in terms of market reach. this looks like some last effort cash out sort of deal to me. weird to say that i…

They recently passed a suite of jepsen tests that finally gives them legitimacy they needed (the latest server release has very good consistency now). MongoDB is in a good place from a technical position.

That's interesting. I've always avoided Mongo because of the general perception that it loses data, but I'll take Jepsen's tests over hearsay anyday.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by tehlike »

dsmithatx wrote: post #44
myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

I worked with one of the largest ad publishing companies. They wanted to track data about every client served an ad. This generated over 1.2 Terabyte per hour of data when the MySQL master started to max out. We had the largest possible multiple core system. It was going to cost my client $30k to upgrade to SSD drives to get more out of MySQL. Also note we had to store this data on an expensive SAN in order to feed t…

sounds like the wrong tool. what you are producing was probably logs data, which is immutable. There are far more efficient (storage, cpu) write-only stores.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

#64

Post by giancarlostoro »

myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

Depends on what you're doing. We've used it on at least one production product at work where it works fine and probably will not be replaced. (If it's not broken don't fix it TM)

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

#65

Post by skrebbel »

tehlike wrote: post #63
dsmithatx wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked with one of the largest ad publishing companies. They wanted to track data about every client served an ad. This generated over 1.2 Terabyte per hour of data when the MySQL master started to max out. We had the largest possible multiple core system. It was going to cost my client $30k to upgrade to SSD drives to get more out of MySQL. Also note we had to store this data on an expensive SAN in order to feed t…

sounds like the wrong tool. what you are producing was probably logs data, which is immutable. There are far more efficient (storage, cpu) write-only stores.

Such as?

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by shin_lao »

patrickfreed wrote: post #60
jaequery wrote: post #50

think it is a bad fit and a bad time for an IPO, their market just isnt big enough and their losing a lot of steam as of late. most importantly in terms of numbers, there is nothing going for them. they arent exactly redhat level in terms of support, nor rackspace level for subscriptions, and nor snapchat level in terms of market reach. this looks like some last effort cash out sort of deal to me. weird to say that i…

>their market just isnt big enough the database market is one of the biggest software markets out there, if not the biggest. >their losing a lot of steam as of late at least according ot google trends, mongodb is more popular than ever. >last effort cash out sort of deal to me they're hiring like crazy and looking to grow a ton in the next year, so I don't think that's the case.

>the database market is one of the biggest software markets out there, if not the biggest

They only address a very small subset of the database market.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by digitalzombie »

abrookewood wrote: post #62
Salgat wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They recently passed a suite of jepsen tests that finally gives them legitimacy they needed (the latest server release has very good consistency now). MongoDB is in a good place from a technical position.

That's interesting. I've always avoided Mongo because of the general perception that it loses data, but I'll take Jepsen's tests over hearsay anyday.

Well MongoDB is working with Jepsen...

After several Jepsen's article on how bad MongoDB is with the Taylor Swift reference.

Also the notorious wave of MongoDB hacked with terrible security defaults and several programmers blaming bootcamp coders for terrible set up.

I think MongoDB had to do some damage control and wake up.

They apparently are working with him now.

Quick google as proof: https://aphyr.com/posts/338-jepsen-mongodb-3-4-0-rc3

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by hvidgaard »

skrebbel wrote: post #65
tehlike wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sounds like the wrong tool. what you are producing was probably logs data, which is immutable. There are far more efficient (storage, cpu) write-only stores.

Such as?

Concider what a database does. It provides ACID properties and ability to query data. If all you need is writing data, the fastest you can do it write it directly to the disk, without the overhead a database comes with.

Using a loadbalancer in front of a farm of cheap logging machines, and aggreate the data you need for analysis to a suitable machine.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by hvidgaard »

deepGem wrote: post #52
myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

I have to agree that there was a lot of noise in the nosql world and a lot of people got carried away by the ease of use metric. I guess people were lured by the prospect of not having to write SQL joins. That said I found nosql databases extremely helpful for storing and querying large unstructured data. Mostly because it was really hard to build relations and to store this data in tables. Think Wikipedia for instan…

With Postgre you don't need to use a different database unless your workload is "bigdata". You can store relational data alongside unstructures json and query both.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

#70

Post by 0xADEADBEE »

patrickfreed wrote: post #60
jaequery wrote: post #50

think it is a bad fit and a bad time for an IPO, their market just isnt big enough and their losing a lot of steam as of late. most importantly in terms of numbers, there is nothing going for them. they arent exactly redhat level in terms of support, nor rackspace level for subscriptions, and nor snapchat level in terms of market reach. this looks like some last effort cash out sort of deal to me. weird to say that i…

>their market just isnt big enough the database market is one of the biggest software markets out there, if not the biggest. >their losing a lot of steam as of late at least according ot google trends, mongodb is more popular than ever. >last effort cash out sort of deal to me they're hiring like crazy and looking to grow a ton in the next year, so I don't think that's the case.

Did you consider that perhaps projection of growth is exactly what you'd do in the event of an IPO? Or that Google trends isn't a sensible heuristic for a valuation?

I've down-voted you not because I disagree fundamentally (although I don't rate MongoDB) but because you are dismantling an argument badly. I hope that isn't too rude.

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