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Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Holy cow. With a pedestrian in / on the edge of the crosswalk. And there was even another car that had been moving just a few seconds earlier stopped there too...

You don't think it was going to stop if the pedestrian stepped out in front? If autonomous cars can't do that, they can't do anything.

Who knows? This Volvo didn't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsTxS6tg6xc

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Have you seen the video? It's way more jacked up than what you're implying: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzQ42D9Srw Watch that and tell me that it's reasonable or caused by a short yellow...

I've run that light myself by accident. It's a hard light for humans too. This light is in the middle of a block rather than at the end. The area is full of activity including people walking but also popular sights. That brick building to the right is SFMOMA. Its hard to notice the traffic lights amongst all this activity not to mention that you don't look for it. Also that middle lane can easily have its views obstr…

Its hard to notice the traffic lights amongst all this activity not to mention that you don't look for it.

That makes it hard for a person, especially if they're new to that road, but why would it affect the database lookup that a self-driving car is doing?

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Normal humans also run red lights when the yellow-to-red light time is too short. Transit guidelines generally state that yellow lights should stay lit 1 second for every 10mph of the speed limit. When the yellow light is shorter than this, it's easy to get caught in the middle of a red.

Have you seen the video? It's way more jacked up than what you're implying: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzQ42D9Srw Watch that and tell me that it's reasonable or caused by a short yellow...

Looks like it didn't consider a traffic light in the middle of a block as a thing that could happen.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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I'm curious as to what happens when there are two cars with active sensors at the same place - how much would they interfere with each other?

There are a lot of techniques to avoid it. I remember listening to an interview with Greg Charvat who said that coding a polarised pulse train with some random phase distribution is a possibility for avoiding interference.

What about malicious interference?

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #92
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I've run that light myself by accident. It's a hard light for humans too. This light is in the middle of a block rather than at the end. The area is full of activity including people walking but also popular sights. That brick building to the right is SFMOMA. Its hard to notice the traffic lights amongst all this activity not to mention that you don't look for it. Also that middle lane can easily have its views obstr…

Its hard to notice the traffic lights amongst all this activity not to mention that you don't look for it. That makes it hard for a person, especially if they're new to that road, but why would it affect the database lookup that a self-driving car is doing?

I barely know anything about how self driving cars work so someone else should answer that. I am not affiliated with Uber or its competitors.

Perhaps I should have said that its a hard light for humans but that I don't know anything about how hard it is for cars.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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There are a lot of techniques to avoid it. I remember listening to an interview with Greg Charvat who said that coding a polarised pulse train with some random phase distribution is a possibility for avoiding interference.

What about malicious interference?

If it's deliberate, I would imagine that there are plenty of techniques that would work with regular cameras, as well. Ultimately, you can always target the algorithm that works on the data, regardless of how the data is collected.

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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Don't forget illegally running autonomous tractor trailers in Palo Alto and on the roads of Nevada. These guys are criminals... total disregard for human life (but their own) in every shape and way there is. From potentially killing people, too treating everyone is who not their BRO like trash; drivers, employees, customers, business partners, etc, etc, etc... GROSS!

Your comments come off as if you are more bitter about some company you can just choose to ignore than benchamark is about Travis.

Just had a look at furioussloth's comments. Every single one is an Uber related story and an Uber related comment.

Reminder to us all to please declare your interests if you have them. even if it's only:

Full disclosure: I quite like Uber.

For me, full disclosure, I do actually, quite like Uber. (Although not everything they do, or endorse all their policies or individual employee abhorrent behavior etc).

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

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post #95
post #92

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Its hard to notice the traffic lights amongst all this activity not to mention that you don't look for it. That makes it hard for a person, especially if they're new to that road, but why would it affect the database lookup that a self-driving car is doing?

I barely know anything about how self driving cars work so someone else should answer that. I am not affiliated with Uber or its competitors. Perhaps I should have said that its a hard light for humans but that I don't know anything about how hard it is for cars.

The standard approach to detecting signal lights is to have a database of GPS positions of the signals, along with rough location in the camera where the signal is expected to occur [1]. Then, when the car nears the signal, it locates the signal and detects the current color.

This mechanism really shouldn't be susceptible to the same biases as humans. The described signal may legitimately be more challenging for the self driving car, but more than likely the signal was missing from Uber's database. Their lack of explanation for this failure does not inspire confidence in their approach.

[1] http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/Web/People/zkolter/pubs...

Re: Text Messages Between Travis Kalanick and Anthony Levandowski

#100
So much talk about LIDAR and other sensors. Why nobody talks about obvious idea of Road Object Message Bus? ROMB is a protocol where each road object (a traffic light, a sign, a car, etc.) transmits info about itself. A car could broadcast its direction vector, intention to turn, any non ROMB moving object it sees. A traffic light could broadcast current state and when it is going to change. That information would greatly enhance overall security, especially during rain and snow conditions, when even LIDAR fails.

Self-driving is such important (just after eliminating combustion engines) that we could upgrade existing cars with cheap ROMB boxes. Vehicle GPS tracking system costs about $30. ROMB box would cost about $60. Let's say that from 2027 all cars have to have a ROMB box to enter a downtown ...

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