Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
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Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
#2Sad, sad, sad. Greed trumps safety. I wonder how many other safety inventions have not reached mass adoption?
Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
#3Sad, sad, sad. Greed trumps safety. I wonder how many other safety inventions have not reached mass adoption?
Is it greed exactly? Wouldn't the saws just cost more?
I suppose the R&D on building the components into their current products is something they don't want to do, so maybe that's the greed aspect?
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#4I do wonder if this is an issue of misaligned incentives. If a person has workers' comp insurance through their company, why not give a reduced price to the company if they deploy this tool? The owner can show they reduce the risk of high payouts. The insurance company should, rationally, drop the bill by 50-100 a year. Even 30-50 could make the price difference of the saw worth it then.
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#5They don't mention if it's possible to build saws without sawstop patents. Is this guy lobbying for all saw companies to be required to license his technology?
EDIT: It appears that they're currently suing Bosch for developing their own similar technology.
Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
#6From what I saw, the entire system is more or less single use, resulting in a destruction of the sawblade and the catch.
As well as severe shock to the drive.
I'm not one bit surprised there is serious opposition to the idea, capitalism and all
Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
#7Sad, sad, sad. Greed trumps safety. I wonder how many other safety inventions have not reached mass adoption?
Is it greed exactly? Wouldn't the saws just cost more? I suppose the R&D on building the components into their current products is something they don't want to do, so maybe that's the greed aspect?
I think the greed mentioned here is that SawStop is lobbying to make it mandatory for saws to use their technology while trying to stop others from bringing similar systems to market, all so that they can price-gouge a captive market.
IIRC last time it was discussed here, they were trying to charge ~$100 per saw to license their tech, when the usual margin on a saw was about a quarter of that.
If they just accepted a reasonable licensing fee, their tech would be ubiquitous already and they wouldn't need to try and use regulatory capture to force people to use it.
Relevant quote from TFA:
> CPSC Acting Chairman Ann Marie Buerkle said she was also concerned that the rule might force companies to license technology from SawStop, which she said might create a monopoly.
Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
#8If big companies won't adopt it, startup a company and build a better saw and people will buy it. Table saws are dangerous, I remember in high school having a piece of wood splinter and fly past my head hitting the ceiling. People don't seem to have problems buying safety with cars, I see it as just an industry full of cheap ass power tools that constantly need replacing.
I'd buy such a saw just so when my dumb ass neighbor borrowed it he wouldn't cut off his fingers. I laughed at him when he asked for the chainsaw.
Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On
#9Sad, sad, sad. Greed trumps safety. I wonder how many other safety inventions have not reached mass adoption?
Is it greed exactly? Wouldn't the saws just cost more? I suppose the R&D on building the components into their current products is something they don't want to do, so maybe that's the greed aspect?
It adds $200 to the cost of a saw. You can buy sawstop saws on Amazon.
The trouble as I see it is it's patented technology, and SawStop sues infringers. It would certainly be a jackpot for SawStop to get a law requiring their patented technology on every saw - look what happens to drug prices with patent monopolies. SawStop could easily impose a ruinous patent fee on competitors, and completely monopolize the saw business. Is it any wonder other saw companies oppose this law?
The patents expire in 2021, that should change the game.
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#10They don't mention if it's possible to build saws without sawstop patents. Is this guy lobbying for all saw companies to be required to license his technology? EDIT: It appears that they're currently suing Bosch for developing their own similar technology.
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