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The women who get hired at Google only do so if they pass a stringent interview. So how is this different from what you're saying?
It isn't. I just don't think lack of biological diversity is a problem for a corporation.
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Odd how that Idea never occurred to the person to whom you are replying. In comment after comment, the possibility that there is no bias is considered literally impossible . The blatant and unrecognized bias in this conversation is absolutely fascinating. (I also notice HN has introduced a throttle, presumably to reduce the volume of incorrect messages.)
HN has always had a throttle for comment threads that go more than a few deep. The deeper the thread goes, the longer the delay gets.
That said, it's not super hard core militant censorship, there's plenty of other people saying politically incorrect things in today's discussion as well, so my censorship may have been due to "not adding to the discussion in a meaningful way", rather than my particular point of view. Hopefully there's an appeal mechanism for when I decide to straighten up my act, I'm working on it.
But as they say, freedom of speech does not require someone to provide you a stage to speak on, and private companies are free to censor whatever speech they see fit.
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> "reverse sexism" This phrase is itself a loaded non-thing, as it implies that all of this is taking place in a vacuum that was laboratory-generated by white-coated technicians. But, instead, it's a grimy, imperfect world in which we know that women and other groups have been systematically disenfranchised and continue to be so . So, yeah, maybe someone else whose history does not bear that incredible burden will fi…
> To those who complain of unfairness, I say "welcome to the world experienced for generations by the very people you now resent because you have to walk in their shoes for a few steps". I've always had a big problem with this often said bit. It's basically revenge. You're saying "people X were disadvantaged by people Y a long time ago and you are decendants of Y so you should pay." It's frankly crazy and I can't und…
In general, your arguments here are so facile as to make any attempt to respond equally as absurd. If you're genuinely interested in the topic, I'd suggest you research further vs launching into fallacious reductio ad absurdum-style arguments on comment threads.
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You're completely missing one of the main points of the whole gender discrimination discourse: that there are strong social influences that prevent women from going to tech long before your 'before college', as well as during college and after college. There are many turning points at which girls are influenced the way that discourages them from tech instead of helping them to develop interest in it. So yes, discrimi…
Of course there are strong social influences - little boys are given toy trucks while little girls are given dolls. But that's not the same thing as discrimination in hiring and the workforce, which is what these affirmative action policies tackle. > "And no, the diversity debate doesn't 'get too much attention'. It gets significantly less attention than it should" First of all, it's not even a "debate" as the memo h…
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Doesn't that kind of point to an alternate solution, that the entire interview by interrogation coding process is the problem (if the input pool is 98% men of course they are going to get 98% men out) and they should be doing the mentor approach/internship for all junior programmers instead of the rigid pass/fail requirement. One of the problems with their current approach is similar to the college hazing ritual, all…
> if the input pool is 98% men of course they are going to get 98% men out Will they? What if women stay in their roles longer than men? Then, you would less often be replacing women. If men more often apply to new jobs, that could explain why the candidate ratio is more skewed than the ratio of actual workers.
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HN has always had a throttle for comment threads that go more than a few deep. The deeper the thread goes, the longer the delay gets.
From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause (nor is recent downvotes, or excessive volume). I've never before hit a limit of being able to participate in a back and forth debate at far higher volumes and depth than today, but now I would be completely unable to have a conversation. Something major has changed, I'd bet money it's a flag assigned t…
It might be depth within a certain timeframe then. I've noticed similar delays previously in non-controversial topics when trying to reply to non-controversial comments.
I don't think there's anything sinister going on here, there's just a mechanism in the comments to prevent people from speaking past each other in quick succession.
Edit: For reference, this comment took 9 minutes before a reply link appeared, and it is the 9th child of a top-level comment. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Try replying to this comment and timing how long it takes before a reply link appears - my guess is 10 minutes.
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From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause (nor is recent downvotes, or excessive volume). I've never before hit a limit of being able to participate in a back and forth debate at far higher volumes and depth than today, but now I would be completely unable to have a conversation. Something major has changed, I'd bet money it's a flag assigned t…
> From my observations (without access to the code one can only speculate), not in this case - depth is not the cause It might be depth within a certain timeframe then. I've noticed similar delays previously in non-controversial topics when trying to reply to non-controversial comments. I don't think there's anything sinister going on here, there's just a mechanism in the comments to prevent people from speaking past…
An alternative explanation is the universe was punishing me for being a dick, which wouldn't be that unrighteous.
Some of the reasoning in this post is very weak. It's not very long, and its kernel is an anecdote about how her son is interested in programming and her daughter in photoshop. My daughter is also more interested in art than my son (who is more interested in video games). Both would make exceptional programmers, and both have a latent interest. Both are setting a course for STEM careers, but, like all 18 and 16 year…
> Most importantly, though, the only contribution this post makes to the discussion is to add "I'm a woman and I agree with one side of the debate" to the mix. Everything in it is a restatement of an argument that has been made, forcefully and loudly, already. Frankly: who cares? I would say that this woman's credentials, personal experience with hiring at Google and hiring at her startup, and her (seeming) non-ideal…
And your contribution is.. Mansplaining?
Throwing flamebait into a flamewar will get you banned here, so please stop posting like this to HN. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15009988 and marked it off-topic.