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MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by stuffedBelly »

myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

Startups got burnt by NoSQL because they wanted to use it for everything instead of thinking over use cases that fit. It's a good thing that this fad went away and now people would be more likely to educate themselves about relational vs. non-relational db before jumping into the fire pit.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by rpeden »

discordance wrote: post #40
rpeden wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no reason a for profit company can't ship an open source project. :) MongoDB is an open source project, and the MongoDB company is a for profit corporation that ships the database and sells support and services related to it.

Yes this is true, although what happens when the profit motivated corporation doesn't make profits or loses revenue? Isn't it more likely that a profit motivated OSS project will lose resources in this case, potentially affecting the product?

That's a really good question.

I think the reality is that many large OSS projects are corporate sponsored, either directly or via companies paying developers to work in the project.

In a case like MongoDB, if the company faced difficultly or even went out of business, the product would undoubtedly be affected.

But since it's a popular open source product that many companies depend on, it seems unlikely it would die. For some of the successful companies using MongoDB at scale, paying developers to work on the project could very well be cheaper than migrating to something else.

I think this is true for large open source projects generally. It's nice to at least have the option of taking the code into your own hands if the company or people developing it decide to stop for any reason.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by dsmithatx »

myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

I worked with one of the largest ad publishing companies. They wanted to track data about every client served an ad. This generated over 1.2 Terabyte per hour of data when the MySQL master started to max out. We had the largest possible multiple core system. It was going to cost my client $30k to upgrade to SSD drives to get more out of MySQL. Also note we had to store this data on an expensive SAN in order to feed the data at a reasonable rate to MySQL or PostgreSQL.

I had just learned of MongoDB and went to school at 10gen for their sys admin class. I talked to the developer about storing the data in NoSQL using a small sharded cluster on a Friday. Monday morning he asked me to setup a MongoDB cluster. Tuesday we moved over from MySQL. They ended up using much smaller servers, got rid of the 3par and epsilon SAN's and saving tons of money.

My point is there are certain situations where NoSQL is still the answer unless you can cluster your SQL write server. I've moved on from working with Ad publishing clients but, I'm sure there are other places where SQL databases are not adequate.

NoSQL might be or, have been, a fad but, like any tool when used for the right job it works.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by qaq »

dsmithatx wrote: post #44
myth_drannon wrote: post #26

It looks like the NoSQL movement was just a fad and plenty of startups got burned by it and some still stuck with this tech , writing inefficient workarounds for something that comes OTB with the regular SQL databases.

I worked with one of the largest ad publishing companies. They wanted to track data about every client served an ad. This generated over 1.2 Terabyte per hour of data when the MySQL master started to max out. We had the largest possible multiple core system. It was going to cost my client $30k to upgrade to SSD drives to get more out of MySQL. Also note we had to store this data on an expensive SAN in order to feed t…

A production large scale ad. system system that was doing 1.2 TB per hour in writes, was migrated over from MySQL to MongoDB in roughly 24 hour window cool story Bro.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by dajohnson89 »

flavio81 wrote: post #45

Really? I thought the MongoDB fad had gone away, that common sense returned, and people either used proper document stores, or proper relational databases, or graph databases.

Could you be a little more specific as to what a proper document store is? Mongodb has impressed me after using it for two years in a highly concurrent and rapidly changing big data production system. It's not without its significant headaches, but I've yet to find a database that is.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by ezrast »

discordance wrote: post #40
rpeden wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no reason a for profit company can't ship an open source project. :) MongoDB is an open source project, and the MongoDB company is a for profit corporation that ships the database and sells support and services related to it.

Yes this is true, although what happens when the profit motivated corporation doesn't make profits or loses revenue? Isn't it more likely that a profit motivated OSS project will lose resources in this case, potentially affecting the product?

Check out RethinkDB, a competing product which had exactly this happen earlier this year. I don't follow the project closely, but the Linux Foundation picked up stewardship and development appears to be continuing, if at a reduced pace.

MongoDB is pretty popular, so while it would certainly be disruptive in the short term for the sponsoring company to go out of business, continued community development is all but assured.

Re: MongoDB has filed confidentially for IPO

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Post by jaequery »

think it is a bad fit and a bad time for an IPO, their market just isnt big enough and their losing a lot of steam as of late.

most importantly in terms of numbers, there is nothing going for them. they arent exactly redhat level in terms of support, nor rackspace level for subscriptions, and nor snapchat level in terms of market reach. this looks like some last effort cash out sort of deal to me. weird to say that its somewhat of a sad outcome for an once promising opensource company.

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