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I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by notgood »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Linkrot is a real problem. Especially for those sites that disappear before the archive can get to them. On another note, the more dynamic the web becomes the harder it will be to archive so if you think that the 1994 content is a problem wait until you live in 2040 and you want to read some pages from 2017.

It's actually fairly easy to record web sites despite how dynamic they are; all you have to do is save the response data of each XHR (and similar requests) and the rest of the state (cookies, urls, date/time, localStorage, etc).

For even more accuracy save a Chromium binary of the version at the time so it'll look exactly as intended.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by jszymborski »

bloaf wrote: post #196
hawski wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm beginning to think that there is a niche for a peculiar kind of a search engine. A search engine for static almost-none to none JavaScript pages. It would penalize pages for ad-network usage. I would really like to not have in search results most sites that try to monetize on my attention. I want raw facts and opinions. No click-bait to grab my attention or feed my internal cave man with rage. No ad-networks or d…

https://millionshort.com/

Awesome, filtered top 10^6, removed sites with ads and e-commerce, typed in "enigma machine" and got some great gems:

http://ciphermachines.com/index.html http://enigma.louisedade.co.uk/howitworks.html

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by simias »

Asooka wrote: post #95
jedberg wrote: post #90

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I actually downloaded a copy of the NYT article I was quoted in in 1996 specifically because I feared it would fall off the internet at some point. It's behind a paywall now, but at least I have a digital copy!

Isn't that illegal, since you don't own the copyright? Or are you not distributing it and keeping it for archive purposes?

Don't downvote people for asking questions ffs!

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by keithnz »

ChrisSD wrote: post #39

Related to this, I had trouble finding examples of pre 1996 web design. The internet archive has a lot from 1997 onwards. The oldest live examples of sites from that era, that I know of are: http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/T... http://oreilly.com/gnn/gnnhome.html http://www.trincoll.edu/zines/tj/tj12.02.93/tjcontents.html The BBC also donated its Networking Club to the Internet Archive: htt…

My web page is still around http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~keithn/ it was mostly done pre 96 .... not that it was really well designed, I just spammed bezels and had a play with this new cool java thing.

its an embarrassingly amusing slice of life :)

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by pilsetnieks »

deadalus wrote: post #78
LoSboccacc wrote: post #68

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beware: robots.txt can retroactively clear archive.org data

another reason to use archive.is

Considering the topic of discussion, how sure can you be that archive.is will still be around in a year? Three years? Ten?

As much as I tried, all I could find about it is that it's run by one guy in Czech Republic who's paying $2000/month out of pocket for hosting, and apparently dislikes Finland.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by DiabloD3 »

ringaroundthetx wrote: post #241
jedberg wrote: post #105

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It's on my website, which is a blatant copyright violation. So far the NYT hasn't asked me to take it down. It could potentially be considered fair use, since I'm not making a profit and I provide commentary.

> It could potentially be considered fair use, since I'm not making a profit and I provide commentary. Although people through that term around willy nilly, in our current framework that means being sued for a minimum of $100,000 per supposed violation, and making your fair use defense in front of a judge. Youtubers have reported spending $50,000 just to begin talking with lawyers and preparing briefs. Maybe our ISPs…

If he is actually providing commentary and it does meet the fair use requirements, the EFF would probably end up representing him.

Remember to donate to the EFF, they're literally the only thing between you and a world where the corporations rule the world.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by _asummers »

jszymborski wrote: post #252
bloaf wrote: post #196

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https://millionshort.com/

Awesome, filtered top 10^6, removed sites with ads and e-commerce, typed in "enigma machine" and got some great gems: http://ciphermachines.com/index.html http://enigma.louisedade.co.uk/howitworks.html

If you're interested in Enigma machines and find yourself in Maryland, you can play with one at the NSA museum next to Ft. Meade.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by kyledrake »

data_scientist wrote: post #240
kyledrake wrote: post #148

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Hi, founder of Neocities. I get this request a lot actually. The reason I decided to not do it was because webrings, though nice, had a lot of problems. The main issue was that people's sites would go away, and then the ring would break. I also didn't want to introduce any functionality that would make sites depend on Neocities backend APIs to function. Web sites are more long-term and durable if they remain (mostly)…

What about using machine learning? It sounds like a discovery issue, and recommender systems work very well for that (eg. the side bar of Youtube). I just discovered Neocities BTW, it sounds very interesting!

I've got a fancy 1080Ti and Tensorflow. If you have any particular things I could try or should read about, I'm happy to look into doing some research! Googling for "Tensorflow recommender" gave some interesting starting points.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Post by ernsheong »

j_s wrote: post #98
rahiel wrote: post #8

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> Also, sites are a very volatile medium. I often bookmark pages with interesting information to read later, and it inevitably happens once in a while that a site went down and I just can't find the information anymore. I had the same experience and that's why I made a browser extension that archives pages when you bookmark them. ( https://github.com/rahiel/archiveror )

I collected a list of ~15+ archival tools on a discussion of Wallabag last month: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14686882 Happy to discover yours!

Here's one more! https://www.pagedash.com

Launching soon. We use a browser extension to mine your current tab on a click of a button!

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