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I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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My uncle Pat wrote this book (and multiple others in the same series). I'm amazed Vice is talking about it over twenty years later and I'm sure he will be too once I show him the link!

I had lots of fun reading them as an Internet-addicted kid -- but several of the links were dead even before it was officially published.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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beware: robots.txt can retroactively clear archive.org data

another reason to use archive.is

archive.is is very nice, but they're a URL-shortener as well, so their links are utterly opaque strings of alphanumerics, whereas the Wayback Machine preserves both the full original URL and the date and time it was captured in the archival URL.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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> [The Rolling Stones] actually streamed a concert on the platform in November of that year, using an online provider named MBone for some reason.. The MBone was not a "provider", it was an IP multicast network. This was the only way to efficiently stream video content to thousands of simultaneous clients before the advent of CDNs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbone

MBone lost its reason to exist when the internet backbone turned out to be much easier to upgrade than the edges. There's not much need to implement a complicated proxy system to save bandwidth on the backbone when almost everybody is constrained by their last mile link. For years I thought TV stations might connect to the MBone to do simulcasts for people on the Internet once broadband became widespread, but the wor…

AT&T U-verse uses multicast for live TV streams. They start off as unicast streams but after about 60s the multicast stream is picked up.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Do you remember any text fragment? I can grep for it. Either that or you can spend an hour clicking :) : http://reocities.com/southbeach/lounge/

Thanks for the link! It looks like reocities didn't pick it up. (I downloaded all 250 links and grepped myself)

Clever. :( Sorry!

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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Related to this, I had trouble finding examples of pre 1996 web design. The internet archive has a lot from 1997 onwards. The oldest live examples of sites from that era, that I know of are: http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/T... http://oreilly.com/gnn/gnnhome.html http://www.trincoll.edu/zines/tj/tj12.02.93/tjcontents.html The BBC also donated its Networking Club to the Internet Archive: htt…

You could try my site for Pinball Expo 1994. http://www.lysator.liu.se/pinball/expo/ Did it by hand with MS Notepad, MS Paint, Apple QuickTake 100 camera, Chameleon TCP/IP, and Mosaic for PC. I did, however, drop the webmaster email address about 20 years ago.

As a student at liu who had no prior knowledge about lysator it's always interesting to see lysator links in the wild, they seem to pop up when least expected.

How come the site is hosted at lysator and how come it's still up?

Sidenote: The man hosting the site has a very on-topic profile page[0].

[0] https://www.ida.liu.se/~davby02/

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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That's just silly. The dynamic nature of javascript is what caused the explosion of websites around 2007, due to the advent of jQuery. Saying we should all go back to plain text is just being an old grump. Should it be overused? No. Just like GIFs shouldn't have been overused on Geocities.

CSS is a perfectly way to design a web site using zero JavaScript. Source : I do web dev etc.

No one is talking about design. Javascript provides functionality CSS does not.

Source: https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ http://www.ecma-international.org/

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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I bought a book from 1850, and I could still look up all the references in a university library, or even find most of them on Google Book Search.

Not all information on the Internet is created equal and not all information needs to be available in perpetuity. "Free $tuff From the Internet" from 23 years ago is closer to a restaurant guide than a book containing literary or academic references. I'd imagine most of the references in an 1850s coupon book or almanac would also be long dead.

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Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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I owned (and still do own) this book! I would spend many hours as a teenager going through the links and accessing all the cool stuff in the book. This really brings back memories! And yes, the way I got on the internet in those days was to dial into a public Sprintlink number, then telnet to a card catalog terminal in the Stanford library, and then send the telnet "Break" command at exactly the right time to break o…

I was lucky. A public library had a dial-in account with lynx as the shell and the card catalog an inter-library loan systems served as web pages. I just had to hit 'g' and type in any URL, including Gopher, WAIS, Archie, or telnet ones. This left me no great way by itself to get things downloaded locally, but I could telnet into a shell elsewhere, download things to there, and feed them back via zmodem through the telnet and the dialup.

That was before I had a local PPP provider, of course.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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The article indicates that the "free" stuff on the internet was hidden away in weird places - ftp servers and the like. No google to find it for you, the only way was by word of mouth, or I guess via published book. Answers a question I always had about "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson. The main character, Hiro Protagonist (I still giggle at that name), sometimes did work as a kind of data wrangler - "gathering intel…

We did have search engines, just not as fast or encompassing as Google. Archie came online in 1990 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine ). Jughead and Veronica followed ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jughead_(search_engine) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_(search_engine) ). More often than not a search started with a Usenet newsgroup FAQ.

Don't forget we had Gopher and WAIS before the Web, too.

Re: I Bought a Book About the Internet from 1994 and None of the Links Worked

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God I miss when the web was designed for people who could read.

Then you'll "love" Microsoft's 1994 page: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/discover/1994/

Is microsoft.com currently not loading for anyone else? I'm getting ERR_SSL_UNRECOGNIZED_NAME_ALERT in Chrome, but I'm not seeing it mentioned anywhere else (e.g. Twitter).
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