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Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"This is perhaps the cheapest Computer Science masters in the United States from a premier school." Actually, there are funded ones! Princeton and Cornell both have 2 year thesis-based M.S.E CS programs which are fully funded + stipend. I'm starting Princeton's in the fall. These are small programs though, I believe there's 12 of us incoming.

I did reasearch during my MS as well. Tuition + Healthcare + Stipend. Still lost out on 1.5 years of $100k+ a year to slowly lose money (whatever the stipend didn't cover in my living expenses) and get a MS, but I'm happy in the end.

I haven't looked into the details for a very long time. But whether there's research/thesis at least used to be a big variant among MS/ME programs and there wasn't an obvious pattern based on the "prestige" of the school. One will be one year of mostly classroom learning. Another will be a couple years about half of which is primarily focused on research and writing a thesis.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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If you haven't been working as a software developer long and you don't have a background in CS, it's going to be difficult. I'm about halfway through and many of the classes assume that you have the equivalent of an undergrad CS degree. It's not intended to replace an undergrad degree. That doesn't mean you can't do it, but your going to spend a lot of time catching up. From what I've seen, the students without a CS…

I would be curious to know what alternative folks recommend for people in this situation.

That is, people working full-time as mid- to senior-level professional software developers, who have no formal CS training at all and would like to rectify that with a formal course of some sort.

I recognize that going straight to graduate school probably isn't the best plan, and I'm not particularly interested in endless months of self-study (or more accurately, I admit it probably won't happen without more structure).

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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Logging in as a throwaway. The program only costs $5k but it was one of the most expensive things I've done in my life. Got a job at Google directly because of this program (a few classes like CCA helped a lot with interviews). I'm aware of at least a couple dozen of us from OMS here. The program cost me dearly. It cost me my relationship with the SO and it cost me my health (staying up late nights, lots of coffee).…

Can you elaborate a bit on what was said for the SCPD program "not being worth the time and effort"? (Googler here) I took ~4 classes, and they all seemed to be of high quality (applied for the full MSCS, but didn't get in, unfortunately). What are some of the opinions you've heard here?

(Googler also). I've taken 4 classes and it was very worth it, and that generally seems to be the sentiment on a per-class basis.

I believe the typical complaint is about the additional classes required to just round out the degree that are not as useful to one's chosen sub-field in CS. Can't give you my personal opinion because I'm not there yet.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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Current working professional and an OMSCS student here. It highly depends on the context. Biggest pros are: 1. This is perhaps the cheapest Computer Science masters in the United States from a premier school. The degree is exactly the same as offered to the residential program and the credits acquired are all legit and transferable to other universities. I had friends who transferred from OMSCS to a regular school an…

> The degree is exactly the same as offered to the residential program and the credits acquired are all legit and transferable to other universities. This is not entirely true. The online masters does not have all courses available. The on-campus masters has a much larger breadth of courses one can choose from. All things considered, for $7000, the value is phenomenal.

Isn't the availability of classes an orthogonal question?

When OP says it's "exactly the same degree" I read that to mean that the school gives you exactly the same piece of paper at the end, as opposed to giving you a piece of paper that has the word "online" on it. In other words, I read it as meaning that there's no way for an employer to know whether you completed the degree in person or online short of asking you directly.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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I'm speaking from my past experience as a hiring manager at a start up with outlier standards for performance and trajectory in software engineering and machine learning. I estimate I've screened tens of thousands of resumes and interviewed at least a thousand people in my career.

First and most important: your internships and work experience, and what you accomplished during those jobs. They should tell a story of increasing and accelerating personal growth, learning, challenge and passion. If you can share personal or class projects, even better.

After your experiences, your degrees will be considered based on the number of years each typically requires, with early graduation and multiple majors being notable.

      1. PhD, if you have one. A STEM PhD was particularly helpful for ML/Data 
      science positions, but not required.
    
      2. BS/BA (3-4 year degree)
    
      3. MS/MEng (1-2 year degree)

Put another way, if you don't have a PhD, the MS/MEng program is a tiebreaker compared to your experience and undergrad credentials.

International students get a raw deal. The online masters will barely help you get a job or launch a career in the US. US universities appear to offer the chance to work for major US companies with a notable university (such as Georgia Tech) on your resume, only to feed their graduates into our broken immigration and work authorization system, H1-B indentured servitude and no replies from the countless companies that have an unspoken higher bar for those needing sponsorship.

To round out a few other contexts HN readers might experience:

If you are an international considering an on-campus MS/MEng, US universities are charging full price while giving you a credential of limited value and utility. Apply the same comments above but at a much higher price than GA Tech’s OMSCS.

If you are completing/just completed a less notable undergrad degree, paying for a masters program at an elite CS school (like GA Tech) is usually a bad deal. If it not a requirement for the positions you seek, it won't help your career chances much.

If you have an undergrad degree and your employer will pay/cover your MS/MEng at night/personal time (and that is your passion), awesome and go for it! It will be a lot of work and lost sleep to get everything out of the experience, but a lifelong investment in your growth and experience.

If you are completing/just completed a notable undergrad degree (tier-1, internationally recognized program), you don't need the masters. Feel free to get one for your learning, sense of self and building research connections while you ponder getting a PhD. The hiring and salary benefit will be very small--you are already the candidate every company wants to meet. If you decide to get a PhD, that will open some new doors but take 5+ years to get there.

At my previous company, we made it our forte and team passion to get authorization for employees--given a global pool of candidates and a hiring bar to match. I'm really proud of our effort here given the broken and unfair system. Sadly, many companies do not share this value or cannot justify the time, effort and expense, or cannot scale such a program to a larger number of employees across a less selective bar.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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post #92

Current working professional and an OMSCS student here. It highly depends on the context. Biggest pros are: 1. This is perhaps the cheapest Computer Science masters in the United States from a premier school. The degree is exactly the same as offered to the residential program and the credits acquired are all legit and transferable to other universities. I had friends who transferred from OMSCS to a regular school an…

>"This is perhaps the cheapest Computer Science masters in the United States from a premier school." Actually, there are funded ones! Princeton and Cornell both have 2 year thesis-based M.S.E CS programs which are fully funded + stipend. I'm starting Princeton's in the fall. These are small programs though, I believe there's 12 of us incoming.

For context, I'm pretty sure all of Princeton's grad students are funded (including masters of public administration).

Still cool, just wanted to put it out there in case anyone was wondering what their CS dept is up to.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> algorithms and data structures being the most applicable There's really not much off that to be had -- one introductory theory + algorithms course, one course on algorithms and complexity for parallel and distributed programs, and after that just a few domain-specific things -- image processing and machine-learning algorithms. I thought the program was worthwhile because it was cheap and flexible. I could watch lec…

> I wouldn't assume that any programming experience is better than this program. I don't. Just want the OP to not get degree fever, assuming they'll be flooded with job offers b/c they have a CS masters. In developer interviews I've never had anyone even bring up my education once, mostly I think it helps get me past the HR filter at big cos. But I loved my master's program, I'd recommend school to anyone if they can…

This is the crux imo, higher degrees somehow justifying higher salary and positions to normal business types. I often tell people I can tell when someone can do this job by talking to them for a few minutes and asking a few questions, formal education or not. This career is very unique in that regard. But typical large company HR will use the lack of degree or lower degree like an AS as justification to pay less or deny promotion.

I've found advanced degrees are not an indicator of programming ability, and maybe even negative correlation.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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> I believe this program is a good complementary source of knowledge to become a better software developer. That's something you could learn on your own. But your knowledge of "technologies" are more valuable to employers than CS degree - especially if you have work experience. The tech industry isn't like academia ( economics ) where you have to build up credentials. Work on projects that deal with web technologies…

Thanks! After reading all comments I more inclined to follow your advice and invest my time in first becoming a full stack developer/architect.

The consensus is that it is very time-consuming. As a junior web developer I would have a lot of catch-up to do in Programming (some comments mention the need of intermediate level at C, Java, and Python, I have none of neither). As an Economics graduate, I have a fairly shallow knowledge of Math, some catch-up would be needed in Calculus and Linear Algebra also. This would make the program even more time-consuming for me (and I need to stay my full-time job).

I will focus this ernergy on becoming a better software developer and think again about this program in a couple of years.

Re: Ask HN: Is Georgia Tech's Online Master in CS Worth It?

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post #41

Current working professional and an OMSCS student here. It highly depends on the context. Biggest pros are: 1. This is perhaps the cheapest Computer Science masters in the United States from a premier school. The degree is exactly the same as offered to the residential program and the credits acquired are all legit and transferable to other universities. I had friends who transferred from OMSCS to a regular school an…

> The degree is exactly the same as offered to the residential program and the credits acquired are all legit and transferable to other universities. This is not entirely true. The online masters does not have all courses available. The on-campus masters has a much larger breadth of courses one can choose from. All things considered, for $7000, the value is phenomenal.

Correct, the availability of courses is limited and there are four specializations available but its still early days in online education space and as I understand, maintaining, editing and publishing a course is a huge effort for a public university such as GaTech. They are adding courses every semester as of now and there are enough general purpose courses in core computer science like Operating systems, compiler theory, algorithms etc and current ones such as Machine Learning and various AI related topics.
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