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Gates Makes Largest Donation Since 2000 with $4.6B Pledge

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The argument usually is that by donating your money to a charity that you control instead of paying taxes you effectively undermine democracy.

The majority of federal income tax receipts go to military spending [+] (ignore social security and healthcare, those are funded out of compulsory payroll taxes, which is distinct from federal income tax); you're doing more social good (in general) by diverting wealth to charities that promote social welfare than giving that money to the federal government (I'm sad to say). Sometimes democracy is wrong. More social p…

Your own source shows defense as 17% of overall spending.

As a percentage of income tax receipts, the number for military spending is closer to 25%. See, for example, https://www.nationalpriorities.org/interactive-data/taxday/

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Cascade's investments are roughly 1/2 of his wealth. Bloomberg is currently estimating he's sitting on $43 billion in cash. https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/william-h-ga...

Honest question: can half of it for example $20B in cash, cure cancer? or HIV/AIDS?

Wouldn't hurt.

But we're getting there: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/research/car-t...

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I guess it really depends on what your view of the world, and your place in it, is. I was very surprised when my parents basically said that whatever wealth they accumulated, their goal was to leave that to me. I think they view it as their duty as parents, for that to be the right thing to do. Others have a view of propagating their genes to the next generation and view inherited wealth as the way to do so (Yes, I r…

Those views are rather strictly tied to the number of 0's in ones bank balance I feel. Even 1% of Bill gates worth is many hundreds of millions. Where as the average person who seeks to leave everything to their children might be in the millions. But possibly even less.

This is from 2013[0], but the avg. inheritance in the US at that time was $177K according to an HSBC survey.

[0] http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/13/retirement/american-inherita...

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of federal income tax receipts go to military spending [+] (ignore social security and healthcare, those are funded out of compulsory payroll taxes, which is distinct from federal income tax); you're doing more social good (in general) by diverting wealth to charities that promote social welfare than giving that money to the federal government (I'm sad to say). Sometimes democracy is wrong. More social p…

Your own source shows defense as 17% of overall spending. As a percentage of income tax receipts, the number for military spending is closer to 25%. See, for example, https://www.nationalpriorities.org/interactive-data/taxday/

It's 21% for FY 2016 (which is a percentage based on including social security and medicare, which as I mentioned, are not part of federal income tax receipts; the percentage ). 2017 isn't done yet; I'm not using an estimate with an administration going sideways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_...

"Military budget of the United States. ... The budget funds 4 branches of the U.S. military: the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force. In FY 2015, Pentagon and related spending totaled $598 billion, about 54% of the fiscal year 2015 U.S. discretionary budget."

Yes, we're spending that much on the military. Yes, its pathetic. Yes, its why its best to avoid (not evade, which is illegal) paying income tax whenever possible. I prefer my welfare programs not enable the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians in a foreign country, but that's just me.

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Pledging to give away so much of your wealth has interesting side benefits. You get to keep your money out of the hands of the government and if you're donating to your own charity then you also get to keep your family in control of the money. I definitely don't mean to diminish the contribution of the Gates Foundation though. I often hear that they're one of the good ones.

probably the money is more wisely spent by the private institution than the government.

Maybe in Gates' case this is true, since he seems to carefully evaluate good causes, but in general it isn't. A lot of the charitable donations that the wealthy use for tax write-offs go to things like museums and universities with already-huge endowments. Not that these aren't important, but it's not exactly Habitat for Humanity or soup kitchens. Frankly I'd rather see that money spent on government social programs.

The more I read about this, the more I come around to the idea that charitable tax deductions should be ended entirely (actually I think all tax deductions should be phased out, but that's a bigger topic). It's effectively just another regressive tax.

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I'm surprised that people are asking how / why he is giving money away and no one mentioned his Giving Pledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge Bill Gates and Warren Buffet pledged to give half of their net worth away during their life or death to charity. They're practicing what they preach.

it's capitalism at is best you start a company in your garage take it to be worth Bilions an then give it all away, doesn't get better than this.

What's the link with capitalism ?

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I am not sure if I recall correctly but wasn’t there a reason where gates wouldn’t donate all of his wealth at once and needed to do it in stages ? Also, maybe they can’t utilize all that cash at once. Therefore it would be best to be illiquid until you need the liquidity.

It is the mythical man-month applied to charity. It takes time to get results, adding more money doesn't help. Nobody wants that much cash in one lump sum, they want an anual income. If you give me my anual income (including benifits and supplies) and I can quit my current job to do charity work. If instead you were to give me a billion dollars, I can still quit my job to do charity work, but this time I'll be doing…

Hmm I think it's probably better to get the lump sum and operate off interest. Even 1% of $50 billion yearly is $500 million. I think the foundation could manage to exist off that.

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Instead of using the money to research renewable or more efficient energy production, reduce pollution etc his foundation uses the money for vaccines and health services which surprisingly has as target, as he says in a ted video (link below), to decrease human population which he sees it as the major problem of today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I&t=278&cc_load_po...

"The world today has about 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15%"

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post #56

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> Feeney is known for his frugality, living in a rented apartment Seems like renting isn't that frugal in the long-term though... it's unlikely cheaper long-term than owning a condo or small home, ie. you're either paying your own mortgage or someone else's mortgage + rental profits.

San Francisco has insane rent control. He's probably paying something like $300/mo if he's been there for decades.

California has insane property tax control, if he bought decades ago he'd be sitting on millions in property value and pay nearly nothing in taxes. Works both ways if you get lucky.

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post #55

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For some amount of time, sure. But at some point you have to pay off the loan, presumably by selling the collateral, at which point your taxes still come due and you've also paid a bunch of interest. This only makes sense if you believe the stock will increase in value enough to exceed the interest paid. If you're actually donating the stock (or the full proceeds from the sale), I'm not sure what the tax implications…

Do charities in the US enjoy an exemption on capital gains taxes when selling stocks?

Yes. Public 501c3 charities enjoy an exemption from almost all taxes.
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