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Why English is such a great language for puns

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Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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Not only Vietnamese but a lot of languages all over the world, if not most or all. Puns and wordplay exist in any language, and people who say "why English/German/Swahili/whatever is so great for Y" merely have no deeper understanding of linguistics aside folk etymologies and lists of "untranslated words" (which are a joke to people actually into linguistics) and things like that. Japanese comedians can't go 10 minut…

Examples please. I love puns.

I recall a joke that went something like this:

マイケル・ジャクソンの好きな色は何ですか? 青!

Michael Jackson no sukina iro wa nan desu ka? AO!

It means: What's Michael Jackson's favorite color? BLUE! (You are supposed to shout the "ao!" in a Jackson-like falsetto.)

Anime and manga are LOADED with puns. For example the Saiyans in Dragon Ball are called such because saiya is a reversal of yasai (野菜, "vegetable"). Which explains why they have names like Kakarott, Raditz, Vegeta, and so forth.

Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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Look, I don't pretend to be an expert here but I've dabbled in learning some other languages, most recently spanish. One thing that keeps coming up is how economical English seems to be compared to at least the other languages I've encountered. By "economical" I mean in terms of syllables. This seems to be a particularly useful property when it comes rhyming and lyrics and the like. A few examples from Spanish: nosot…

Examples from colloquial French with number of syllables:

on (1) = we (1)

trop (1) = too (1)

assez (2) = quite (1) (this one you could translate a few different ways including plutôt, pas mal, très, etc...)

printemps (2) = spring (1)

été (2) = summer (2)

hiver (2) = winter (2)

on boit (2) = we drink (2) [1]

It's also easy to come up with examples where French requires fewer syllables:

hier (2) = yesterday (3)

demain (2) = tomorrow (3)

on se voit (2, possibly 3 if you enunciate carefully) = we see each other (5)

So I think your examples from Spanish are kinda cherry-picked.

At any rate, I'm not convinced that "number of syllables" is a very useful metric, since English syllables are more complicated and take longer to utter than Spanish ones.

[1]: In the formal/standard register this would be "nous buvons" (3 syllables), but in colloquial speech you would hear "on boit" 99% of the time.

Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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I disagree that puns require exact homophones. Each language (group) has different tools for building puns. English, Chinese, etc. use mostly homophones since they are abundant.

Romance languages, in particular Portuguese and Spanish, and Italian to some extent, use many types of pun-building techniques that do not depend solely on homophones: clever rhymes, heteronyms, homographs and other quasi-homonyms. Having longer words means you can embed and concatenate into portmanteaus and puns. Latin and Greek word root prefix and suffix are also rich and an infinite source of puns.

Portuguese speakers are very found of puns and specially word play. So I think pun is a more of a cultural thing, as noted in this thread by some people, than a language feature.

Here's a few Brazilian "trocadilhos" (puns and word play).

- "Fora Dilma vez!", instead of "fora de uma vez" - meaning "Oust [president] Dilma now".

- "Lula: Presidente da Silva", for "President for sure" where "da Silva" is Lula's last name but also colloquially means "for sure".

- "Filhos da Fruta", fruit shop in São Paulo. Word play with "sons of a bitch/fruit"

- "Rock in Rio", rock festival.

Spanish word play culture goes back centuries. Francisco de Quevedo for instance used this device often in his poems, and word play have been present in popular culture ever since. Here's a sample:

- "El calvario de la alopecia", a title to an article ("the calvary of hair loss"). Word play with "calvo" (bald) and "calvario" (calvary).

- "Digamelón", instead of "Dígamelo" ("hello?") when picking up the phone, a pun meaning "hello you moron".

- "Timofónica", portmanteau of "timo" (scam) and "Telefónica" (phone company).

- "Yo loco, loco, y ella loquita", (I'm crazy, she's crazier) which sounds like "Yo lo coloco, ella lo quita" (I put it in, she takes it out).

- "La Tapilla Sixtina", a tapas bar, word play with "Capilla Sixtina" (Sistine Chapel).

Hopefully that gives an idea of the possibilities that make Romance languages pun rich.

But I have to say the English and Chinese press (and readers presumably) love puns more than anyone else for even serious articles, like the OP mentions. The former gets in trouble sometimes [1], and the latter was even outlawed [2]!

[1] http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-champions-league/story/1...

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/28/china-media-wa...

Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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post #55

Look, I don't pretend to be an expert here but I've dabbled in learning some other languages, most recently spanish. One thing that keeps coming up is how economical English seems to be compared to at least the other languages I've encountered. By "economical" I mean in terms of syllables. This seems to be a particularly useful property when it comes rhyming and lyrics and the like. A few examples from Spanish: nosot…

Examples from colloquial French with number of syllables: on (1) = we (1) trop (1) = too (1) assez (2) = quite (1) (this one you could translate a few different ways including plutôt, pas mal, très, etc...) printemps (2) = spring (1) été (2) = summer (2) hiver (2) = winter (2) on boit (2) = we drink (2) [1] It's also easy to come up with examples where French requires fewer syllables: hier (2) = yesterday (3) demain…

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Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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The article provides no evidence about why English, specifically, is great for puns. >> . It has a large vocabulary and a rich stock of homophones from which puns can be made Ok. What about the other 6000 languages? Do they have more/less homophones. French sure has a ton of them. >> It is constantly evolving, with new words being invented and old ones given fresh meanings Yes, like any other language. >> And it is m…

I think the headlines are a tradition rather than something else.

Maybe there is also a slight hint of intellectualism or some would say elitism in the references to classical quotes and trivia that's generally only picked up in higher education.

I rather like it though. It's a shame that the headlines in Sweden - where I live - looks more and more as the worst kind of clickbate. Puns are not exactly unknown here - and the dad-joke pun is is even named after the second largest city...

Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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Chinese here, I agree that it is very easy to have puns in Chinese. But I don't think Chinese find puns very humorous in general (probably it is too easy?), is it more often used to make blessing or satirical phrases.

Can anyone comment on the suggestion in the article that in China puns may be used to evade censorship.

That would be this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Mud_Horse

Re: Why English is such a great language for puns

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There's an entire type of Chinese comedy which is roughly translatable as homophone puns (相声). Few non native speakers ever get good enough to do it. In fact when I was watching the CCTV New year broadcast in English 7 or so years back, the translation and subtitles basically just gave up for all of the crosstalk segments. They just put a banner underneath saying basically "this is crosstalk now, sorry we can't trans…

The one famous non-native xiangsheng master being Dashan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iailMSUVenA

Oh yeah that dude I recognize him, didn't know he could do crosstalk, that's impressive.
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