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Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by notreallythough »

microcolonel wrote: post #8
notreallythough wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

Don't pull that alt-right logic-gymnast bullshit where suddenly we're calling nazis "national socialists" and all socialism are the same. It's fine if you've convinced yourself that you can't smell your own bullshit, but don't ask us to be party to it.

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by kaden »

epistasis wrote: post #10
microcolonel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

This sort of sophistry is a mental virus. Say what you mean, stop with the mealy-mouthed "whataboutism" and vague questions. There are no communists involved in this discussion. Nobody calls Nazis "National Socialists" unless they're trying to blame the nebulous "left" for the evils of the Nazis. We've been through these arguments since the 1940s. Karl Popper's view of the Paradox of Tolerance [1] >Less well known is…

Just for the record, this is in his bio:

>you can be accosted for publicly engaging a wrongthinker.

I don't think he cares about rationality, let alone having the fortitude to say what he means. "Everyone else is wrong and when I get called an asshole it's clearly because it's 1984."

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

#13

Post by microcolonel »

kaden wrote: post #9
microcolonel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

>All of their concerns? Yes. >We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; Not even remotely the same thing. Not even in the same galaxy. Not even in the same universe.

> Yes.

I'm sure white supremacists are concerned about employment, the decline of the American manufacturing sector, and the cost of health insurance. In fact, I'm pretty sure these concerns contribute to their desire to join others who say they have the solution.

> Not even remotely the same thing. Not even in the same galaxy. Not even in the same universe.

Now, I'm not generally one to nickel-and-dime the deathtolls of genocidal ideologies, but I don't think you could credibly argue that in the 20th century National Socialism was more deadly than Communism. At least you'd have to concede that they are in "the same universe", or "the same galaxy".

Don't use hyperbole, else all of your blood will drain instantly from your eyes.

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by threatofrain »

microcolonel wrote: post #8
notreallythough wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

I think you'd be better received if you didn't speak so cryptically. What do you mean an answer in search of a question? Do you want us to meditate on that like a Buddhist koan?

You're implying a hidden knowledge of just what critical concerns people are ignoring, but you won't tell us.

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by epistasis »

kaden wrote: post #12
epistasis wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of sophistry is a mental virus. Say what you mean, stop with the mealy-mouthed "whataboutism" and vague questions. There are no communists involved in this discussion. Nobody calls Nazis "National Socialists" unless they're trying to blame the nebulous "left" for the evils of the Nazis. We've been through these arguments since the 1940s. Karl Popper's view of the Paradox of Tolerance [1] >Less well known is…

Just for the record, this is in his bio: >you can be accosted for publicly engaging a wrongthinker. I don't think he cares about rationality, let alone having the fortitude to say what he means. "Everyone else is wrong and when I get called an asshole it's clearly because it's 1984."

I agree that he's probably an impossible case. He's too arrogant and far too emotionally weak if he thinks public rebuke of ideas is "accosting."

But we are in a public space, and the commonly-endorsed tactic of ignoring trolls has the unfortunate effect of letting this sort of pablum spread. I care about not letting stupid ideas and weak thinking persist without the easy counterarguments. When I say "mental virus" I really mean "mental virus." It's a sickness that only reason can defeat.

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by microcolonel »

epistasis wrote: post #10
microcolonel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

This sort of sophistry is a mental virus. Say what you mean, stop with the mealy-mouthed "whataboutism" and vague questions. There are no communists involved in this discussion. Nobody calls Nazis "National Socialists" unless they're trying to blame the nebulous "left" for the evils of the Nazis. We've been through these arguments since the 1940s. Karl Popper's view of the Paradox of Tolerance [1] >Less well known is…

> This sort of sophistry is a mental virus. Say what you mean, stop with the mealy-mouthed "whataboutism" and vague questions.

It seems like you had this line in your clipboard, it is inaccurate, irrelevant, and puzzling in the context of this discussion.

> There are no communists involved in this discussion.

Well, there were communists at the rally, and they came with (thankfully blunt) weapons, ready to brawl. They dressed in black instead of red because that's the trend as of late. Radical communists have been regularly assaulting people at protests and assemblies in America for at least a year.

> We've been through these arguments since the 1940s. Karl Popper's view of the Paradox of Tolerance [1]

I'm not interested in tolerating political violence, but political speech I will.

We need to make ethnonationalism and other seductive ideologies obsolete, instead of suppressing the people who go to them for help.

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by cgmg »

kaden wrote: post #9
microcolonel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

>All of their concerns? Yes. >We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; Not even remotely the same thing. Not even in the same galaxy. Not even in the same universe.

"Not even remotely the same thing. Not even in the same galaxy. Not even in the same universe."

What do you mean? They're both totalitarian ideologies and have much in common.

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by microcolonel »

threatofrain wrote: post #14
microcolonel wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm going to go ahead and say it's ok to deny the concerns of white supremacists All of their concerns? I'm sure you realize that people don't pick up an ideology like that unless it looks like their society isn't functioning. White supremacy is an answer in search of a question, and the question need not (and ought not) be posed. We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; that doesn't…

I think you'd be better received if you didn't speak so cryptically. What do you mean an answer in search of a question? Do you want us to meditate on that like a Buddhist koan? You're implying a hidden knowledge of just what critical concerns people are ignoring, but you won't tell us.

> I think you'd be better received if you didn't speak so cryptically. What do you mean an answer in search of a question? Do you want us to meditate on that like a Buddhist koan?

Sorry if I was unclear. I meant to make the same statement as the first, in a different form. I hoped that providing two versions of the same statement, folks would have a better chance of understanding what I meant.

Once more: Nobody just chooses one day to become a white supremacist. Nobody is born a white supremacist. Nobody in their right mind would identify as a white supremacist without good reason, because doing so is mortally dangerous.

Clearly there's something wrong in their life for them to accept an ideological solution as severe and impractical as white supremacy. That is, they have a serious question, which the answer of white supremacy has found.

> You're implying a hidden knowledge of just what critical concerns people are ignoring, but you won't tell us.

I suspect their concerns are pedestrian: unsatisfactory employment (or lack thereof), the cost of health care, security, the uncertainty of demographic shifts (especially the shrinking proportion of their own race, and the growing relevance of race in public discourse), the moral conditions for their children (though largely an unfounded concern, given how safe America is).

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by supremesaboteur »

unhumanrights wrote: post #2

http://blogs.intel.com/policy/2017/08/14/intel-ceo-leaves-ma... Earlier today, I tendered my resignation from the American Manufacturing Council. I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues, including the serious need to address the decline of American manufacturing. Politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding Ameri…

> I called on all leaders to condemn the white supremacists and their ilk who marched and committed violence

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/politics/trump-charlot...

Re: Intel CEO Resigns from Trump's Manufacturing Council

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Post by notreallythough »

cgmg wrote: post #17
kaden wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>All of their concerns? Yes. >We shouldn't be ignoring the concerns of the radical Communists either; Not even remotely the same thing. Not even in the same galaxy. Not even in the same universe.

"Not even remotely the same thing. Not even in the same galaxy. Not even in the same universe." What do you mean? They're both totalitarian ideologies and have much in common.

So you agree with white supremacy because there are similarities between a specific group of communists and specific group of socialists. Fascinating.
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