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Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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Oh, so it's like https://shapeshift.io/ except subject to the arbitrary and Orwellian US financial regulations! All jokes aside, I'm not knocking Evercoin. It looks beautiful and I welcome anyone and everyone who wants to bring liquidity to crypto markets. I'm just concerned about the sustainability of any platform based in the US. Maybe Evercoin knows something I don't though. I feel like the smartest thing we can d…

>> except subject to the arbitrary and Orwellian US financial regulations!

abiding by those seems to be the only recipe for long term. Otherwise you're talking about living in interesting times. Never know when or how they come for you

Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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I just tried placing an order and Evercoin's fees appear to be significantly lower. Shapeshift: 1 BTC -> 14.20477011 ETH Evercoin: 1 BTC -> 14.25967407 ETH Changelly: 1 BTC -> 14.35434362 ETH While Changelly appears to have the best rate they don't guarantee the rate. In my experience the actual rate is often much worse than the estimated rate (and unfortunately it's too late to cancel once you see the rate).

They're all going away after cross-chain atomic swaps become THE thing.

Yes. XCAT is definitely the way forward for transactions that involve only XCAT-compatible chains. Especially as it can be implemented either in a pure P2P fashion or with trustless exchanges, resulting in zero or very low fees.

Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just tried placing an order and Evercoin's fees appear to be significantly lower. Shapeshift: 1 BTC -> 14.20477011 ETH Evercoin: 1 BTC -> 14.25967407 ETH Changelly: 1 BTC -> 14.35434362 ETH While Changelly appears to have the best rate they don't guarantee the rate. In my experience the actual rate is often much worse than the estimated rate (and unfortunately it's too late to cancel once you see the rate).

I was originally testing BCC to BTC, so it looks like it depends upon what you are exchanging: Shapeshift: 1 BCC -> 0.06773499 BTC Evercoin: 1 BCC -> 0.06682701 BTC

Maybe someone should build a Kayak for Bitcoin exchanges, that picks the cheapest exchange for each trade...

Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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As others have noted, this is a clone of https://shapeshift.io/ . Clones are fine: it's possible that evercoin does something different/better than shapeshift. What is not fine is the apparent lack of transparency in fees [0]. evercoin says that they charge both exchange and miner fees but do not specify either; just because they include the fees in the final price does not mean they do not exist. Compare this to sha…

It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, all you care about is the exchange rate (e) for the number of tokens you send (x) and the number of tokens you get (y). i.e (x/y = e) The way the exchange determines this rate is entirely upto them. If it's too high, go somewhere else.. but no exchange is required to disclose how they derived their rate. Just because one did, doesn't mean it's any better than the other. If th…

Actually, in most of the world money exchangers are required by law to state if they charge flat fees/commissions/etc on top of exchange rates, and having "NO FEES/COMMISSIONS" is an advertising point.

So it looks like Evercoin is in the "NO FEES" camp, which would usually mean crummier rates for larger sums, and Shapeshift is in the fee camp, again usually meaning you take a hit on small sums but get better rates for larger sums. (Note that I'm not sure if this is actually the case.)

Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was originally testing BCC to BTC, so it looks like it depends upon what you are exchanging: Shapeshift: 1 BCC -> 0.06773499 BTC Evercoin: 1 BCC -> 0.06682701 BTC

Maybe someone should build a Kayak for Bitcoin exchanges, that picks the cheapest exchange for each trade...

That thought definitely crossed my mind...

Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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Looks like a shapeshift/changelly clone.

The simplicity of the conversion is fantastic, but I am perplexed as to how an anonymous exchange exists when there are KYC requirements.

It's not clear that KYC requirements apply when you're not handling fiat money, which these exchanges aren't.

Although I agree with other comments noting that it's pretty ballsy to make that argument if you're incorporated in the US...

Re: Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform

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> Assuming federal laws don't apply because you sprinkled some magic around you is a pretty awful way to end up in jail. AML/KYC apply to institutions that apply for Money Service Business licenses, MSBs for short. This is promulgated by FinCEN agency of the US Treasury department. FinCEN has comprehensive definitions of what kind of digital currency use is subject to MSB registration. It is easy for digital currency…

> AML/KYC apply to institutions that apply for Money Service Business licenses MSBs have KYC requirements. It does not follow that non-MSBs have no KYC requirements. FINRA-member firms, for example, are not MSBs and have strict KYC rules [1]. FinCEN has nowhere said that non-MSBs are exempt from KYC. Nobody can competently say that. All American businesses are subject to the minimum threshold of KYC responsibility in…

FinCEN wouldn't be the agency to say non-MSBs are exempt from KYC.

There may be a kind of FINRA member firm that is both regulated by the SEC and not an MSB, but many kinds, such as broker-dealers are regulated by both FINRA and the SEC and subject to the source you linked.

Yes, OFAC is a different discussion with different considerations.

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