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Re: Quitting Caffeine

#71

I drink coffee because I enjoy it, not to give me a "boost" in the morning. I limit myself to 1 large mug per day, with the (very) occasional afternoon cup. I don't notice any difference between my energy levels before / after my morning coffee, nor on days I skip it. I get a headache in the early afternoon when I skip it, though, so I'm definitely addicted. I wonder if the author's energy level issues were due to hi…

Just like you, I enjoy drinking coffee too and I don't notice any change in energy levels. If I don't drink coffee in the morning the only thing that happens is the headache in the afternoon, as you mentioned.

When I drink coffee at night, which is rare, I also don't have any trouble falling asleep.

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#72

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Jesus, that's like 10 espressos! I'm at >= 5. Pretty bad. I also feels like caffeine doesn't have much effect anymore. Any way to make quitting easier?

No need to quit if you don't want to. Just drink less. Mix your coffee with decaf.

I kind of want to, because at this point I _have to_ drink it to function, but it doesn't really wake me up.

I would say that when I'm down of caffeine I'm more tired that I should, but not that I'm more awake when I drink it.

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#73

Has anyone tried the Caffeine + L-Theanine pills?

I have been doing that since last November, saved a lot of money from buying coffee without all the side affects of having coffee. My focus is the same or more than having coffee daily.

Lookup nootropics, there's a reddit forum for it. I take a combination of caffeine, l-theanine, bacopa, and magnesium in the morning, and one caffeine pill in the afternoon.

I'm in Canada, you can get caffeine pills cheap: 100x 200mg pills for Visit your local fitness health store, and asked them for stuff for focus. I am sure they can help you.

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#74
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I stopped drinking it for a year just to see what difference it made - it felt like more even energy over the day, but mornings lost something - so I have two strong cups very early now and no caffeine after 9am - except maybe tea Some of the energy thing is related to dehydration I suspect - if I drink more water over the day it has same effect as stopping coffee

> Some of the energy thing is related to dehydration I suspect - if I drink more water over the day it has same effect as stopping coffee For me, that was the majority of it. I've settled on a 1:1 ratio. Drink a cup of coffee, then a full cup of water before I have another coffee.

When I wake up I pour 12oz of water into the electric kettle. I use a French press. And I chug 12 oz+ of water.

Lack of hydrating is probably my worst bad habit.

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#75

>There have been many demanding days in the last couple of years where I felt that if I would just give in and allow myself a cup of coffee, I would get more done. Caffeine doesn't do anything for me anymore except stop dependence side effects - been thinking about ditching it and using modafinil on days like these - seems relatively side effect free and easy to get pharma grade stuff.

Modafinil is relatively side effects free? Are there any studies of long-term modafinil use effects?

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#76
The author had some good reasons, but drug dependence on its own seems like a pretty poor reason to stop drinking caffeine unless you have other symptoms. There exists a great deal of consensus on Coffee's effect on health: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/upshot/more-consensus-on-...

... people tend to build a great deal of psychological dependence on friends and significant others as well. Dependence does not seem a bad thing on its own.

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#77
I've been drinking about 1000mg of caffeine a day and developed tolerance to the point where I don't feel any effects anymore.

Recently, I tried to quit caffeine for 10 days and didn't feel the need for it, so I'm hardly addicted to it, rather I just enjoy the taste of it. Since I'm completely tolerant, to the effects of caffeine at this point, trying a decaf could be an interesting option. Has anyone researched health implication of drinking decaf?

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#78
I'm celiac and my symptoms* can best be described as hyper sensitivity to addictive foods. I suspect this is more common than has been studied [1] as my main symptom was daily sinus headaches.

The first thing I cut out was gluten. Gluten has been shown to act like an opiate in people with autism. [2] I believe I was going through a short time-scale withdrawal when consuming it regularly. That was the best I ever felt, but I would still get the occasional sinus headache. Having tasted the good life, I was on a mission to feel 100%.

The next thing I cut out was caffeine. It was tough. On all my attempts to give things up, I've gone back and forth multiple times. I joke that it's to "confirm" the trigger, but really it's because giving up tasty foods is tough. Each time I go through an initial withdrawal. Bad sinus headache, shaking (nerves), vomiting, stomach problems. It took about a month until my energy levels were back to normal after giving up caffeine. I would usually come home and work on side projects, I just didn't have the energy for a solid month. If it didn't get better I was ready to suffer through the headaches to get my energy back, but it did get better.

There is an amazing gluten free restaurant near me, and they have pizza. I was eating pepperoni pizza's pretty regularly (because omg pizza) and still getting headaches. Narrowing it down, only eating their pizza in the day and seeing what happened I was able to identify what it was that was triggering headaches on those days. I brought it up to the owner and he pointed out sodium nitrite as an ingredient in the pepperoni. This is a common ingredient in bacon and BBQ meats, which explained my sinus headaches with those too. Did a few tests and it seemed consistent. There is uncured bacon and pepperoni but it's just a trick. They use celery powder or celery juice to cure it. Celery contains sodium nitrite. This also explains the headaches I get with Old Bay seasoning (contains celery).

I feel there is a perfect phrase to describe this, but I can't think of it, so I'll just say I cut down more of the forest I could more easily identify the trees that were giving me sinus headaches. While I had given up caffeine, I was still a total sugar fiend. Caffeine-free root beer, bowls of vanilla ice cream doused in sprinkles. With my limited diet it was pretty easy to identify the causes. Sugar was really rough to give up. I don't know if it was the quantity I was eating, how long I had been eating it, but it was bad. With sodium nitrites I just get a sinus headache when exposed to them. With sugar I get the full symptoms described above. I went back and forth on sugar a few times but the withdrawal symptoms (after giving it up) are what made me finally say this is horrible and I'm never doing it again.

The final thing was MSG. I eat a lot of chips, since I can eat potato and corn. I was particularly fond of the Ruffles Cheddar and Sour Cream ones. But lo' a headache! Reading over the ingredients, monosodium glutamate. I didn't know that was MSG at first, I had to Google each ingredient, but when I found out, it made a lot of sense.

Giving this stuff up is difficult. I'm actually incredibly thankful for my hyper-sensitive symptoms as it has gotten me to start eating healthily. It has also made me realize how much addictive stuff is put into foods and how scarcely it is researched.

*Celiac symptoms vary wildly, and I can only speak from my own experience.

1. http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/coeliac-disease-sinusiti...

2. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1517/14728222.6.2.175

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#79

Has anyone tried the Caffeine + L-Theanine pills?

I've tried it for a couple of weeks in different ratios: 1/1, 1/2 and 1/4 if I recall correctly, also with different types of L-Theanine. Didn't notice any effects.

Re: Quitting Caffeine

#80
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I quit for a while by switching to black tea. Lots and lots of the stuff, and working down from there.

Isn't that caffeine, too (actually we have a name for caffeine found in tea vs. coffee called "teina" vs. "caffeina" in Italian, but not in English I believe)? Sounds like quitting drinking by switching from wine to lots and lots of beer...

Black and green tea do contain caffeine, but quite a bit less: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-he...

It depends a bit on the specific preparation but black tea contains at most half as much caffeine as brewed coffee (per liter) and green tea is again half as much.

Thus an easy way to reduce your caffeine intake is to replace a cup coffee by a cup of the same size of black tea and maybe later green tea (you are not going to drink twice as much liquid and are not drastically cutting your caffeine intake).

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