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Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#11

Post by betafive »

Clubber wrote: post #10
betafive wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good.

Not really. I don't care for what they say, but it's important that they have the ability to say it. It's concerning that private companies, through registrars have the ability to erase viewpoints from the public internet. More signs that the internet be treated as a right. I liken the internet to press. Most of it sucks, but having it and being able to freely speak through it, is essential to liberty. I mean, if we…

They can still say whatever they like, and, y'know what? Their fascist readers can even still get to it using their IP address-- at least, they could if they weren't hiding it behind CloudFlare.

This isn't censorship. As far as I know, no one has the "right" to an entry in the public DNS, nor is any registrar required to do business with Nazis. Registrars have the right to free association and speech too.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#12

Post by Clubber »

betafive wrote: post #11
Clubber wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I don't care for what they say, but it's important that they have the ability to say it. It's concerning that private companies, through registrars have the ability to erase viewpoints from the public internet. More signs that the internet be treated as a right. I liken the internet to press. Most of it sucks, but having it and being able to freely speak through it, is essential to liberty. I mean, if we…

They can still say whatever they like, and, y'know what? Their fascist readers can even still get to it using their IP address-- at least, they could if they weren't hiding it behind CloudFlare. This isn't censorship. As far as I know, no one has the "right" to an entry in the public DNS, nor is any registrar required to do business with Nazis. Registrars have the right to free association and speech too.

Then no one has the right to a free and public internet. The experiment failed.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#13

Post by dfps »

betafive wrote: post #7
dfps wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I use CF. I just meant that there has been criticism aimed at CF for 'protecting' (providing service to) unpopular speech (even harmful stuff like IS), and I think I read they were unwilling to refuse service to anybody. France, hey? I've actually heard France is competitive with US when it comes to internet and free speech. Do you think that's true? I wonder which country most protects speech on the internet?

It is illegal to promote ethnic hatred or deny the Holocaust in France, so...

Is there any country that protects all speech that you know of?

(Related to the law you mentioned, in Germany they also have laws that are reactions to WWII, and they arrested some Chinese tourists for making Nazi salutes for tourist photos outside a government building last week.)

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#14

Post by sever5 »

betafive wrote: post #11
Clubber wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I don't care for what they say, but it's important that they have the ability to say it. It's concerning that private companies, through registrars have the ability to erase viewpoints from the public internet. More signs that the internet be treated as a right. I liken the internet to press. Most of it sucks, but having it and being able to freely speak through it, is essential to liberty. I mean, if we…

They can still say whatever they like, and, y'know what? Their fascist readers can even still get to it using their IP address-- at least, they could if they weren't hiding it behind CloudFlare. This isn't censorship. As far as I know, no one has the "right" to an entry in the public DNS, nor is any registrar required to do business with Nazis. Registrars have the right to free association and speech too.

They'll transfer the name elsewhere, it's a petty waste of time.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#15

Post by willstrafach »

Clubber wrote: post #10
betafive wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good.

Not really. I don't care for what they say, but it's important that they have the ability to say it. It's concerning that private companies, through registrars have the ability to erase viewpoints from the public internet. More signs that the internet be treated as a right. I liken the internet to press. Most of it sucks, but having it and being able to freely speak through it, is essential to liberty. I mean, if we…

They can find a registrar which has a ToS they are willing to comply with.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#16

Post by betafive »

dfps wrote: post #13
betafive wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is illegal to promote ethnic hatred or deny the Holocaust in France, so...

Is there any country that protects all speech that you know of? (Related to the law you mentioned, in Germany they also have laws that are reactions to WWII, and they arrested some Chinese tourists for making Nazi salutes for tourist photos outside a government building last week.)

Protecting speech is often in tension with other individual liberties that are supposed to be protected, and the purpose of government is to arbitrate those disputes. I don't think there are any that grant unfettered protection to speech-- a government that permitted advocation of treason, for instance, probably wouldn't last very long.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#17

Post by betafive »

sever5 wrote: post #14
betafive wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can still say whatever they like, and, y'know what? Their fascist readers can even still get to it using their IP address-- at least, they could if they weren't hiding it behind CloudFlare. This isn't censorship. As far as I know, no one has the "right" to an entry in the public DNS, nor is any registrar required to do business with Nazis. Registrars have the right to free association and speech too.

They'll transfer the name elsewhere, it's a petty waste of time.

No, it's not. There are a finite number of .com registrars-- how many of them do you suppose want to be associated with Literal Nazis?

Even if it only serves to waste their time, hassling fascists is still a public service.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#18

Post by Clubber »

willstrafach wrote: post #15
Clubber wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I don't care for what they say, but it's important that they have the ability to say it. It's concerning that private companies, through registrars have the ability to erase viewpoints from the public internet. More signs that the internet be treated as a right. I liken the internet to press. Most of it sucks, but having it and being able to freely speak through it, is essential to liberty. I mean, if we…

They can find a registrar which has a ToS they are willing to comply with.

What if there are none?

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#19

Post by willstrafach »

Clubber wrote: post #18
willstrafach wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can find a registrar which has a ToS they are willing to comply with.

What if there are none?

a) Use an IP address.

b) Use a Tor hidden service.

c) Petition the US government to force private businesses to serve their organization.

d) Start their own registrar with a ToS allowing such content.

Multiple options available.

Re: Daily Stormer Moves from GoDaddy to Google

#20

Post by sever5 »

betafive wrote: post #17
sever5 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll transfer the name elsewhere, it's a petty waste of time.

No, it's not. There are a finite number of .com registrars-- how many of them do you suppose want to be associated with Literal Nazis? Even if it only serves to waste their time, hassling fascists is still a public service.

There are many privacy/free-speech oriented registrars and hosts. I hate being in the position to defend these types so often from short-sighted moralizers, but it absolutely won't work.
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