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Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by Scarbutt »

sandGorgon wrote: post #19

Why are there so few new languages built on the .NET platform ? This is a genuine question - is there something about the JVM that gives rise to such vibrant ecosystems. Clojure, Scala, Kotlin, Groovy, JRuby : Most importantly, every one of them is in production use - not just as toy/experimental languages. And we havent even opened the Pandora's box that is Java 9+Truffle. There's a lot of broscience that .NET is su…

My guess would be because Microsoft technologies were to tied to windows. If you, a non-corporate entity is creating a new programming language with aiming at being mainstream, why would you choose a closed non-multiplatorm ecosystem?

Also, the JVM is better suited (much better performance) for running dynamically typed code.

You also seem to be confirming .Net has "superior performance" over the JVM, from where do you get that? .Net still has a long way to go to in being as mature/battle-test as the JVM is in linux IMO.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by asp_net »

pantalaimon wrote: post #16

Does .NET Core also include a cross platform GUI toolkit? (Windows.Forms and WPF come to mind) If not, what toolkit would be recommended these days for this purpose?

Not specificly .NET Core, but Xamarin is already available for macOS and is, afaik, actively working on Xamarin.Forms coming to desktop, including Linux.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by jahewson »

sandGorgon wrote: post #19

Why are there so few new languages built on the .NET platform ? This is a genuine question - is there something about the JVM that gives rise to such vibrant ecosystems. Clojure, Scala, Kotlin, Groovy, JRuby : Most importantly, every one of them is in production use - not just as toy/experimental languages. And we havent even opened the Pandora's box that is Java 9+Truffle. There's a lot of broscience that .NET is su…

There are plenty of languages built on the CLR [1], including variants of Clojure, Python, and Ruby. Then there's the "official" languages: C#, C++/CLI, VB.NET, JScript.net.

I suspect what's going on is that 1) unlike Java C# has actually evolved so the need for "escape hatch" languages is lesser, and 2) .NET developers want to use languages with rich Visual Studio tooling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CLI_languages

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by Yhippa »

jefe_ wrote: post #15

I have been absolutely loving .NET Core since I started using it this spring. Currently running two applications in production, one on a Windows Server with IIS and another on a Centos 6 server with Docker. Docker was surprisingly easier than configuring Web Deploy to IIS. There have been a few things that are oddly documented, but generally documentation has improved over these months as user base has grown. They ha…

Why did you select .NET Core versus other technologies?

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

Scarbutt wrote: post #28
SiVal wrote: post #18

I wish I had a better sense of where cross-platform desktop app platforms stood these days: Electron, Java, .NET, QT. All I hear are "Eww, Electron is ridiculous, slow, heavy Web junk for desktop", "Eww Java is blub, insecure, and half-abandoned by Oracle", "Eww, .NET is Microsoft and unreliable for anything serious on non-MS OSes", "Eww, by the time you pay the license, learn QT, learn the odd variant of C++, and ma…

For the desktop, electron has mostly won really, the web browser becoming the primary most widely used platform for delivering applications made shipping a desktop application with an embedded browser the next obvious choice.

I'm sorry, but as for now, Electron is really not the best choice for a desktop platform, and you can't declare it a standard only because some developers choose it, mostly because it's easier for them to create or port apps using a familiar stack. In the future, certain things may change - the performance might be better and resource usage might get lower (although I honestly doubt - with browsers getting more features it's even likely to go the other way round), but as of now, Electron as a desktop platform is inferior when compared to a native app in all aspects.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by alykhalid »

asp_net wrote: post #32
pantalaimon wrote: post #16

Does .NET Core also include a cross platform GUI toolkit? (Windows.Forms and WPF come to mind) If not, what toolkit would be recommended these days for this purpose?

Not specificly .NET Core, but Xamarin is already available for macOS and is, afaik, actively working on Xamarin.Forms coming to desktop, including Linux.

Blog post announcing this feature https://blog.xamarin.com/glimpse-future-xamarin-forms-3-0/

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by raziel2p »

Trying to get it working on Linux, I had to manually fix some permission errors, and now am stuck on this helpful error message: No executable found matching command "dotnet-net"

Not a great experience, especially since I was able to get 1.1 working quite easily.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by Scarbutt »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #35
Scarbutt wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the desktop, electron has mostly won really, the web browser becoming the primary most widely used platform for delivering applications made shipping a desktop application with an embedded browser the next obvious choice.

I'm sorry, but as for now, Electron is really not the best choice for a desktop platform, and you can't declare it a standard only because some developers choose it, mostly because it's easier for them to create or port apps using a familiar stack. In the future, certain things may change - the performance might be better and resource usage might get lower (although I honestly doubt - with browsers getting more featu…

I see Electron as an example of the "Worse is Better" theme.

Re: Announcing .NET Core 2.0

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Post by Const-me »

sandGorgon wrote: post #19

Why are there so few new languages built on the .NET platform ? This is a genuine question - is there something about the JVM that gives rise to such vibrant ecosystems. Clojure, Scala, Kotlin, Groovy, JRuby : Most importantly, every one of them is in production use - not just as toy/experimental languages. And we havent even opened the Pandora's box that is Java 9+Truffle. There's a lot of broscience that .NET is su…

> is there something about the JVM that gives rise to such vibrant ecosystems

Java.

It evolves too slowly, that’s why people try to fix it creating another languages on top of JVM. MS did much better developing C#, therefore less need for alternative languages.

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